Reply to: New Phone Needed

[Peoplesoft bloke]

That wasn't the point being made.

What was the point then? it is technically better because you can do something that in practise you never actually do?

Good question. Technically, you can - http://arstechnica.com/journals/appl...r-iphones-edge
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That link is about the old iphone, not the 3g one, and -
However, now that it's possible (with a lot of work and probably breaking EULAs left, right, and center) to run third-party apps on the iPhone, someone has created a SOCKS proxy for Apple's gadget, and instructions are available on installing it. (Not for the faint of heart.)

When was the last time you sent an MMS.

Yesterday - for a variety of reasons it is an effective way for Mrs PS to send me pics of our baby daugther. I've also been exchanging pics with my sister in France.

Commercially MMS has been a failure.

In the USA

IMO, primarily the interface.
Much like the ipod to the mp3 player market, (which wasn't the first mp3 player) the iphone has redefined the user experience for a mobile phone, and added a web experience you can actually use - the symbian browser is crap, as is the blackberry one, winmo is useable, but nowhere near as slick as the iphone. There are other shiny things about it, but thats the winner for me.

All that being said, I've still got blackberry as the hardware keyboard is a must for me.

When a touch screen with haptic feedback comes out, I'll be on it like something proverbial.

I agree about the symbian browser, though.

[Badger]

Blackberry Bold update here

Elsewhere in the world, you can get your hands on the Bold sooner. It will be available tomorrow on the Rogers network in Canada; Aug. 1 on theVodafone (NYSE: VOD) network in the United Kingdom; and Aug. 4 on the T-Mobile network in Germany.

Bugger, I'm on O2!

[Fred Bloggs]

I've been using my phone for a while now for exactly what you say and Vodafone contract was offering 120Mb per month usage (it's now unlimited).

I set my browser to images off I was using significantly less than the limit, maybe around 80 - 90 Mb per month - that's surfing on and off for most of the day!!

Sorry for the thread hijack. Do Vodafone offer a dongle to use on a laptop with "unlimited" data download? Last time I looked into this with O2, "unlimited" meant actually a 3Gb cap. I need ~15Gb a month-ish. ta.

Sorry, just checked. 5Gb limit on "unlimited" :-(

[Bear]

Sorry for piggbacking on this thread but does anyone know what the typical data usage is for surfing tinterweb on a mobile? Not you tube or downloading music, just posting tulip here or reading news sites etc

TIA

PL

I've been using my phone for a while now for exactly what you say and Vodafone contract was offering 120Mb per month usage (it's now unlimited).

I set my browser to images off I was using significantly less than the limit, maybe around 80 - 90 Mb per month - that's surfing on and off for most of the day!!

[pmeswani]

I'm a Mac user, have been for years, and as soon as the PAYG iPhone is available I'm getting one.

Believe me when I say: LOOKS DON'T COUNT. Capabilities count.

Never buy stuff you intend to use based on mere looks. Geeks buy Apple products because they're the best, not because they look good.

(E.g. I spend a lot of time on my MacBook in the bash shell... either its own, or one on a server far, far away. Terminal.app can be made to look really nice, for a command-line environment - but it's what it can do that's important. I keep forgetting to customise mine, but I constantly make use of the capabilities it has. It's a usability triumph, and there aren't many command-line-hosting-applications about which one can say that.)

I had the Motorola A1000 phone a few years ago. Bought it because of the touch screen technology and the large screen. Over time, I found it unbareable and went back to the normal style phones (i.e. the ones with the keypad). Used Nokia a few times, ended up hating them. Have a LG HSDPA phone and found that certain functions such as messaging audible alerts, surfing and the battery life is poor. I'm looking for a change in phone come October time. IPhone is not an option with my provider (thank god!), so I am hoping that the Blackberry Bold is.

Looks and Feel are important, just as usability. Capabilities are also important, but I must point out that no matter how capable a phone is, if I, the user, can't use it, then the capabilities don't matter.

[Moscow Mule]

good point but in any case wtf would you want to do that on an iPhone?

That wasn't the point being made.

If iPhone is so great why can't I use it as a modem like the Windows and Symbian ones?

Good question. Technically, you can - http://arstechnica.com/journals/appl...r-iphones-edge

And why no MMS?

When was the last time you sent an MMS. Commercially MMS has been a failure. People just don't give a tulip. I'm not surprised it was left out.

What technically makes it so much better?

IMO, primarily the interface.
Much like the ipod to the mp3 player market, (which wasn't the first mp3 player) the iphone has redefined the user experience for a mobile phone, and added a web experience you can actually use - the symbian browser is crap, as is the blackberry one, winmo is useable, but nowhere near as slick as the iphone. There are other shiny things about it, but thats the winner for me.

All that being said, I've still got blackberry as the hardware keyboard is a must for me.

When a touch screen with haptic feedback comes out, I'll be on it like something proverbial.

[Badger]

Believe me when I say: LOOKS DON'T COUNT. Capabilities count.

I never would, it was just an observation about the 'look' i.e. the potential usability of the software, not a comment on it's capabilities. The reason why I don't like Nokia's is because of the 'look' of the software, I find it clunky to navigate which would annoy me, so I don't buy, even if it has all the capabilities I want.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Go on then, what are these capabilities that make the command line such a triumph?

good point but in any case wtf would you want to do that on an iPhone?

If iPhone is so great why can't I use it as a modem like the Windows and Symbian ones? And why no MMS? What technically makes it so much better?

[Moscow Mule]

Go on then, what are these capabilities that make the command line such a triumph?

Tabs are quite handy, but I don't really use it enough to care...

[Spacecadet]

I'm a Mac user, have been for years, and as soon as the PAYG iPhone is available I'm getting one.

Believe me when I say: LOOKS DON'T COUNT. Capabilities count.

Never buy stuff you intend to use based on mere looks. Geeks buy Apple products because they're the best, not because they look good.

(E.g. I spend a lot of time on my MacBook in the bash shell... either its own, or one on a server far, far away. Terminal.app can be made to look really nice, for a command-line environment - but it's what it can do that's important. I keep forgetting to customise mine, but I constantly make use of the capabilities it has. It's a usability triumph, and there aren't many command-line-hosting-applications about which one can say that.)

Go on then, what are these capabilities that make the command line such a triumph?

[NickFitz]

Not good news about the delay, the look of the software looks good though.

I'm a Mac user, have been for years, and as soon as the PAYG iPhone is available I'm getting one.

Believe me when I say: LOOKS DON'T COUNT. Capabilities count.

Never buy stuff you intend to use based on mere looks. Geeks buy Apple products because they're the best, not because they look good.

(E.g. I spend a lot of time on my MacBook in the bash shell... either its own, or one on a server far, far away. Terminal.app can be made to look really nice, for a command-line environment - but it's what it can do that's important. I keep forgetting to customise mine, but I constantly make use of the capabilities it has. It's a usability triumph, and there aren't many command-line-hosting-applications about which one can say that.)

[Badger]

Not good news about the delay, the look of the software looks good though.

[pmeswani]

No problem PB, I should have said in the original post that I don't like Nokia's anyway.

I've just seen the Blackberry Bold and registered for updates, so I think I'll hold out for that. Looks professional, seems to have all the stuff I need plus sat-nav's a bonus.

Agree with pmeswani in that the iPhone's not as business-like as I'd prefer, and although it does have some cool features I'd probably only use them once.

I've waited a couple of months for the Bold to come out. The Sim free version will cost about £500 give or take.

Just found http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/25/b...-date-delayed/. I'm hoping the issues will be resolved soon.

[Moscow Mule]

You would actually have to pay me money to go back to Windows Mobile again.

It's a complete pile of god only knows what at 5.0 and I'm not sure if 6.0 is any better.

Blackberry all the way for me, the full keyboard on my Curve is a joy.

[Dearnla]

Blackberry 8120 - I have mine on Orange and can use the Wifi browser at home or work. I never exceed the Mb dowload limit as I don't surf outside a Wifi zone.