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Previously on "Are traditional house alarm systems a relic of the past?"

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  • quackhandle
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    Originally posted by original PM View Post
    Fact is generally burglars look for the easy and low risk option

    So things like
    1) Having a gravel drive
    2) Having security lights
    3) Having a visible alarm system
    4) Not having easy access to your back yard

    etc will always deter the casual burglar.

    However if someone targets you specifically for something you have then no system will protect you 100%.
    + 1 for this. Police said the scum are quick and quiet, so you need to make everything slow and loud.

    When I was burgled + had car nicked the one thing that shocked me was the ease of how they snapped the pvc door lock. So the big one for me was Anti-Snap locks.

    If you have the nice Golf R or Audi S3 on your drive your risk is very high of being burgled. Have used Verisure for last 2.5 years.

    qh
    Last edited by quackhandle; 3 December 2019, 14:25.

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  • sal
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    Originally posted by ladymuck View Post
    The fire feature is interesting. How hot a temperature does the sensor have to detect before it'll automatically unlock?

    It also reminds me of this:

    Can't you hear me knocking? But I installed a smart knocker • The Register
    Mine doesn't have the fire thingy (not the exact model I linked, just similar) I remember reading it was like 50C+ or some such, and it was proof from external tampering.

    Also these are not smart locks, just digital, no connectivity whatsoever. Batteries lasted about 9m and started making distinct noise when running low and stop locking automatically. There is the standard connections for 9V battery outside for emergency, so there isn't much chance of getting locked out due to dead batteries. Also if you forget your chip/card inside you can use the code to enter. Really pleased with the performance so far, especially a that price point

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  • ladymuck
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    Originally posted by sal View Post
    Speaking of locks I have one of these in addition to the standard key.

    SAMSUNG DIGITAL SECURITY LOCK (SHS-1321): Amazon.co.uk: Lighting

    Installed it mainly for convenience and to be higher and out of reach of the kids, not so much for security, as the large french door, just a foot away is much easier access point.
    The fire feature is interesting. How hot a temperature does the sensor have to detect before it'll automatically unlock?

    It also reminds me of this:

    Can't you hear me knocking? But I installed a smart knocker • The Register

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  • sal
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    Speaking of locks I have one of these in addition to the standard key.

    SAMSUNG DIGITAL SECURITY LOCK (SHS-1321): Amazon.co.uk: Lighting

    Installed it mainly for convenience and to be higher and out of reach of the kids, not so much for security, as the large french door, just a foot away is much easier access point.

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  • minestrone
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    To be honest if I was setting up a system I would not have the alarm go off first, have a dog bark alarm come from upstairs first for 20 seconds or something

    Last time the alarm went in the night I was running down the stairs with my tackle swinging and wouldn't have a clue if anyone was in the house as I couldn't hear anything.

    Anyway, avocet locks and good double glazing, that will stop most burglars.

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  • ladymuck
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    Originally posted by d000hg View Post
    If I'm not sleeping in the same building at the time, probably.


    We don't all live in bedsits anyway, what if they break into the East wing while you're in the West?

    Sent from my ONEPLUS A6003 using Tapatalk
    Very good point. But surely you have staff for that?

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  • d000hg
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    Originally posted by ladymuck View Post
    Do you sleep that heavily that you wouldn't notice someone crowbarring your back door open?
    If I'm not sleeping in the same building at the time, probably.


    We don't all live in bedsits anyway, what if they break into the East wing while you're in the West?

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  • original PM
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    Originally posted by ladymuck View Post
    Do you sleep that heavily that you wouldn't notice someone crowbarring your back door open?

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  • ladymuck
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    Originally posted by d000hg View Post
    Guess the issue is my phone is on silent at night. I can't figure out how to set per app logic to break through silent

    Sent from my ONEPLUS A6003 using Tapatalk
    Do you sleep that heavily that you wouldn't notice someone crowbarring your back door open?

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  • d000hg
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    Originally posted by minestrone View Post
    I was considering getting my NEST smoke alarms to send some json to a logic app that would send me a notification on slack if motion was detected when I was out the house. Then I decided to get a life.

    But you could probably build a decent system through that kind of set up very cheaply. The motion detectors are cheap as chips.
    Guess the issue is my phone is on silent at night. I can't figure out how to set per app logic to break through silent

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  • minestrone
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    I was considering getting my NEST smoke alarms to send some json to a logic app that would send me a notification on slack if motion was detected when I was out the house. Then I decided to get a life.

    But you could probably build a decent system through that kind of set up very cheaply. The motion detectors are cheap as chips.

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  • sal
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    Originally posted by d000hg View Post
    We had a professional firm out to quote and they offered £300/month, which didn't include monitoring.
    £300/m for what? Leasing the equipment? WTF the whole lot can't be more than £500 plus another £500 for professional install if you CBA.

    The main result of a burglary for us will be inconvenience from the mess. The total movable valuables are 2 laptops about £1k and £1.5k and couple of smaller electronic devices between £100-300, no jewelry or cash. I'm fairly sure my home insurance will pay enough to cover that.

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  • d000hg
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    Originally posted by minestrone View Post
    I don't even know if wifi jamming is a thing,

    It's just the first thing I thought of when I looked at how the new systems work as, ehh, I know someone with a mobile jammer.
    Someone definitely posted they had done so for Simplisafe; the company claimed it was an unrealistic contrived scenario, the attacker said this was not the case.

    IIRC that system WILL warn you, via app notification, if communication is lost BUT it won't trigger the alarm. I'm not sure if they claimed that if you have the monitored option, a human would spot this and take a look and see the break-in.

    Of course the issue with a monitored system is are you happy people monitoring you? Do you know what the cameras are doing when the system is disarmed?

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  • LondonManc
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    Traditional burglar alarm:

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  • minestrone
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    Seems like there is a jamming war going on...

    Several home security systems are also equipped with anti-jamming features, built into security panels. The panel detects when signal noise goes above the threshold – indicating possible jamming – which triggers an alarm to alert the homeowner or notifies the monitoring company.
    Can Burglars Jam Your Wireless Security Alarms? | Safety.com

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