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  • wattaj
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    Originally posted by sal View Post
    it's a bit comparing apples to oranges, if anything the comparison should be with x86 Laptop running Linux.

    I have always wondered who buys Chromebooks instead of android tablet with external keyboard, they seem so niche. Not to mention the baked-in expiration on software updates.

    The latest versions of Win 10 (last 6m or so) are somewhat decent. Previously the interface was a hot mess of old style and new stile, lately they have managed to dispatch with most of the legacy stuff. Unfortunately as a side effect now it takes me ages to find settings that I have known by heard for 20 years.
    Let's agree to disagree on pretty much each of your points and move on...

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  • sal
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    Originally posted by wattaj View Post
    Just curious, but why would one go with Apple (£££££) instead of a Chromebook (££) if this is such an issue with less worldly-wise users?

    It seems like an overly expensive solution.
    it's a bit comparing apples to oranges, if anything the comparison should be with x86 Laptop running Linux.

    I have always wondered who buys Chromebooks instead of android tablet with external keyboard, they seem so niche. Not to mention the baked-in expiration on software updates.

    The latest versions of Win 10 (last 6m or so) are somewhat decent. Previously the interface was a hot mess of old style and new stile, lately they have managed to dispatch with most of the legacy stuff. Unfortunately as a side effect now it takes me ages to find settings that I have known by heard for 20 years.

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  • wattaj
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    Originally posted by b0redom View Post
    Linux - it's only free if your time is worthless.....
    True dat.

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  • b0redom
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    Linux - it's only free if your time is worthless.....

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  • wattaj
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    Originally posted by b0redom View Post
    Oh I need a scanner/printer/MS Office is it ChromeBook compatible?

    With OSX you just plug and it works.

    If the father in law wants to play a game if it says it's Mac compatible he can.

    If they have a problem/question, they can walk into an Apple store/reseller.

    Lots of reasons. It's not always about the money.
    Fair enough. Just seems odd to my more Celtic financial predisposition.

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  • b0redom
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    Oh I need a scanner/printer/MS Office is it ChromeBook compatible?

    With OSX you just plug and it works.

    If the father in law wants to play a game if it says it's Mac compatible he can.

    If they have a problem/question, they can walk into an Apple store/reseller.

    Lots of reasons. It's not always about the money.

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  • wattaj
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    Originally posted by b0redom View Post
    This. This so much. My father in law clicks every 'your PC has a virus, click here to remove it' he sees. I moved them off to a Mac and the support/maintenance calls have fallen off a cliff. For a standard user I would argue that it's way better (more secure, less virus prone, less possible to tinker with) than Windows.

    The downsides of course, are the walled garden approach to software and hardware compatibility.
    Just curious, but why would one go with Apple (£££££) instead of a Chromebook (££) if this is such an issue with less worldly-wise users?

    It seems like an overly expensive solution.

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  • b0redom
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    Originally posted by Platypus View Post
    And for an un-savvy user (e.g. my mum) I still have to clean off all the "extras" (toolbars, pop ups, web search enhancements) that she's picked up each time I visit.
    This. This so much. My father in law clicks every 'your PC has a virus, click here to remove it' he sees. I moved them off to a Mac and the support/maintenance calls have fallen off a cliff. For a standard user I would argue that it's way better (more secure, less virus prone, less possible to tinker with) than Windows.

    The downsides of course, are the walled garden approach to software and hardware compatibility.

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  • Platypus
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    Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
    For the past 10 years.
    We'll have to agree to differ there. I had plenty of issues with Win10 and that one was one the reasons I finally (personally) switched to Apple, but I was using W10 all day everyday until 18 months ago. And for an un-savvy user (e.g. my mum) I still have to clean off all the "extras" (toolbars, pop ups, web search enhancements) that she's picked up each time I visit. I've always thought that Windows was great for professionals but awful for non-techies. I have enough current exposure to Win10 that I haven't changed my mind, but I'll admit that even my "numpty" users, who I used to have to help out at least once a month, can now generally get by for about 3 before something goes wonky

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  • woohoo
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    Originally posted by d000hg View Post
    I think if I wanted to spend silly money, I'd be tempted by one of the MS Surface laptops. Earlier iterations we're a way ahead of the competition I think, is that no longer the case?

    Sent from my ONEPLUS A6003 using Tapatalk
    Be careful with surface 2 have had issues with cpu throttling especially when the weather is warm.

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  • NotAllThere
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    Originally posted by Platypus View Post
    None taken! I'm glad to hear that Windows is finally usable
    For the past 10 years.

    My daughter got herself a surface pro for her college works. Seems to be very good.

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  • d000hg
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    I think if I wanted to spend silly money, I'd be tempted by one of the MS Surface laptops. Earlier iterations we're a way ahead of the competition I think, is that no longer the case?

    Sent from my ONEPLUS A6003 using Tapatalk

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  • DimPrawn
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    Personally I go for something like this. Peanuts for real IT contractors.

    ASUS ZenBook Pro Duo UX581GV-H2001T Laptop with ScreenPad Plus, Intel Core i9, 32GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060, 1TB SSD, 15.6” OLED 4K Touchscreen, Celestial Blue at John Lewis & Partners

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  • sal
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    Intel NUCs use U series Core CPUs which is the same that goes in Laptops, where U stands for Ultra low voltage. So no real difference in performance.

    There might be other mini PC platforms out there that use desktop grade CPUs, but I hardly doubt they can fit the PSU and cooling required in a NUC form factor.

    There is still plenty of applications for NUCs like home-brew firewalls and media centres, or anything that require more physical ports. But for a general desktop replacement I would always pick a Laptop even if there is small premium to pay for the portability.

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  • d000hg
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    Originally posted by sal View Post
    When I was looking at them, they seemed quite pricey, only slightly cheaper than comparable Laptop. Unless you are on a tight budget it didn't make sense to me to lose the versatility and portability of the laptop.
    You're paying a premium for the cute packaging I suppose. I don't know how comparable the specs are - you might see both are i7 but wouldn't the laptop be some special low-power i7 not quite as powerful? Or is that out of date?

    You do make a good point about getting a laptop "for free". Even if you never use it as one it's quite a compact 'box' especially if you can configure it to run without having to open the lid.

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