House of Commons - Letter to HMRC - IR35

[northernladuk]

How is saying "there is no such thing as a PSC" indicative of being a dirty IR35 supporter?

You dirty IR35 supporter supporter...

[ladymuck]

Eek why are you so eager to support IR35? Feels to me like all we are doing is supporting big business who don't pay any tax anyway. It's a national scandal.

How is saying "there is no such thing as a PSC" indicative of being a dirty IR35 supporter?

eek is right - there is no legal definition of a PSC yet it's bandied about like it's a real thing because it suits the HMRC agenda.

[northernladuk]

Where have I ever posted that I support IR35 - please provide a link..

My viewpoint since 2015 is that this is a done deal - the only solution was to work out how you were going to react to it...

Yeah you dirty IR35 lover. And to think I've been drinking with you. I feel dirty. I think a new custom title is needed.

[eek]

Eek why are you so eager to support IR35? Feels to me like all we are doing is supporting big business who don't pay any tax anyway. It's a national scandal.

Where have I ever posted that I support IR35 - please provide a link..

My viewpoint since 2015 is that this is a done deal - the only solution was to work out how you were going to react to it...

[Shackattack]

There is no such thing as a PSC regardless of the use of the phrase by HMRC and others..

Eek why are you so eager to support IR35? Feels to me like all we are doing is supporting big business who don't pay any tax anyway. It's a national scandal.

[eek]

That legal entity is PSC. They even said something along the lines of taking your own company to employment tribunal to establish your rights.

There is no such thing as a PSC regardless of the use of the phrase by HMRC and others..

[elsergiovolador]

No he didn't - there is a legal entity between the contractor and the client and that legal entity has responsibilities

That legal entity is PSC. They even said something along the lines of taking your own company to employment tribunal to establish your rights.

[eek]

As Jesse Norman pointed out this is technically not true, as the contractors company is responsible for giving him or her employment benefits, e.g. sick pay. He however didn't say that contractor's company by design will not have any funds to provide such benefits. Not sure why nobody picked that up, as he essentially, in my opinion, misled the parliament.

No he didn't - there is a legal entity between the contractor and the client and that legal entity has responsibilities

[northernladuk]

As Jesse Norman pointed out this is technically not true, as the contractors company is responsible for giving him or her employment benefits, e.g. sick pay. He however didn't say that contractor's company by design will not have any funds to provide such benefits. Not sure why nobody picked that up, as he essentially, in my opinion, misled the parliament.

But most limiteds don't have employees to provide this employee benefit to......

[elsergiovolador]

There seems to be quite a lot of talk on here on life post IR35 however there where some very serious questions raised in the house of commons.

IR35 'riddled with problems' and should be scrapped, say Lords - Citywire

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean said
‘It is unfair that contractors within the rules are treated as employees for tax purposes but do not qualify for employment rights, thus creating a class of zero-rights employees. The government is replacing one unfairness with another.’

Does anyone have a list of the concerns from the house of commons, why have HMRC not responded in the 10 days requested.

It would be useful if somebody could provide a summary of the letter for interrogation, the government are public servants but these reforms show they are clearly show acting in their own self interest.

As Jesse Norman pointed out this is technically not true, as the contractors company is responsible for giving him or her employment benefits, e.g. sick pay. He however didn't say that contractor's company by design will not have any funds to provide such benefits. Not sure why nobody picked that up, as he essentially, in my opinion, misled the parliament.

[courtg9000]

Regardless the House of Commons raised some serious concerns.

It seems to me that the Tories are doing everything in the power to ensure small business and enterprise cannot succeed.

You can ask the new MP and Minister liason team manager when he is appointed! Apparently this new appointment will have a team of 9 working for them on MP and minister liason.

[Shackattack]

These are questions from the House of Lords, not Commons. The Lords have no authority on money bills. HMRC isnt answerable to the Lords. It can disregard such queries entirely.

Regardless the House of Commons raised some serious concerns.

It seems to me that the Tories are doing everything in the power to ensure small business and enterprise cannot succeed.

[AnthonyQuinn]

There seems to be quite a lot of talk on here on life post IR35 however there where some very serious questions raised in the house of commons.

IR35 'riddled with problems' and should be scrapped, say Lords - Citywire

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean said
‘It is unfair that contractors within the rules are treated as employees for tax purposes but do not qualify for employment rights, thus creating a class of zero-rights employees. The government is replacing one unfairness with another.’

Does anyone have a list of the concerns from the house of commons, why have HMRC not responded in the 10 days requested.

It would be useful if somebody could provide a summary of the letter for interrogation, the government are public servants but these reforms show they are clearly show acting in their own self interest.

These are questions from the House of Lords, not Commons. The Lords have no authority on money bills. HMRC isnt answerable to the Lords. It can disregard such queries entirely.

[ladymuck]

It'll be in Hansard. I believe it's searchable online

Search Hansard - Hansard

[Shackattack]

There seems to be quite a lot of talk on here on life post IR35 however there where some very serious questions raised in the house of commons.

IR35 'riddled with problems' and should be scrapped, say Lords - Citywire

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean said
‘It is unfair that contractors within the rules are treated as employees for tax purposes but do not qualify for employment rights, thus creating a class of zero-rights employees. The government is replacing one unfairness with another.’

Does anyone have a list of the concerns from the house of commons, why have HMRC not responded in the 10 days requested.

It would be useful if somebody could provide a summary of the letter for interrogation, the government are public servants but these reforms show they are clearly show acting in their own self interest.