IR35 - Working half the year - Tax & NI Consequences

[fidot]

This has long been the case in permanent employment and why NI for directors is calculated across the whole tax year. Otherwise, the whole salary could be paid in one go, saving loads of NI

[eek]

So kind of like what I said?

Not quite as you didn't cover the tax refund bit, so I went a little bit further...

[vwdan]

Once again I'm surprised this is so complex for people

NI is paid on a weekly / monthly basis as wages are paid (unless you are a director of a company in which case its annualised). Which means you can reclaim income tax but cannot reclaim paid NI contributions (of either sort be it Employer NI or Employee NI).

So if you are working for 6 months at £500 a day (using Clarity's calculator).

Weekly Income

£2,500.00

NI deductions

Employer National Insurance	£278.68
Employment Tax	£10.93
Employee National Insurance	£119.99

Income Tax

Employee Tax

£633.70

Total Net Income

£1,431.70

Now assuming 26 weeks of full time work (130 days) the OP will receive £37,224.20 in cash from a salary of £56820.14 and pay £16,476.20 in income tax.

The income tax due on £56820 is actually only £10228 so there would be a refund due of £6248 leaving a final take home amount of £43,472 roughly

So kind of like what I said?

[eek]

Once again I'm surprised this is so complex for people

NI is paid on a weekly / monthly basis as wages are paid (unless you are a director of a company in which case its annualised). Which means you can reclaim income tax but cannot reclaim paid NI contributions (of either sort be it Employer NI or Employee NI).

So if you are working for 6 months at £500 a day (using Clarity's calculator).

Weekly Income

£2,500.00

NI deductions

Employer National Insurance	£278.68
Employment Tax	£10.93
Employee National Insurance	£119.99

Income Tax

Employee Tax

£633.70

Total Net Income

£1,431.70

Now assuming 26 weeks of full time work (130 days) the OP will receive £37,224.20 in cash from a salary of £56820.14 and pay £16,476.20 in income tax.

The income tax due on £56820 is actually only £10228 so there would be a refund due of £6248 leaving a final take home amount of £43,472 roughly

[redman123]

Testing

[vwdan]

NI is calculated as-you-go and there's no correction or refund etc, so that might be the difference.

I.e., Income Tax is ALWAYS calculated over 12 months, regardless of what happens with PAYE. If you pay too much because you only worked Jan-June then you'll get it back. NI isn't, NI is per week (Edit: Or monthly, apparently) I think. If oyu earn loads on Week 1 you pay NIC based on that, and it's gone forever.

So, to abuse The Salary Calculator - 2019 / 2020 Tax Calculator a little:

A year on £50,000 PAYE income equates to £95.46 a week
A year on £25,000 PAYE income equates to £37.77 a week

BUT,

If you earn £25,000 PAYE a year, but take it all in six months, then you'll pay the £95.46 a week figure so your take home would be less.

I THINK that's right, happy to be corrected.

[ladymuck]

Can you remember any keywords in the post?

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Post it when you find it so we can have a look.

Didn't MB31 have some notion about not submitting invoices / timesheets / nonsense until March to pay less NI due to the way its calculated?

[northernladuk]

Tax year or real year ?

Lunar year or Mars year?

[northernladuk]

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Use google to search for them.

In google type <Keywords> site:contractoruk.com/forums

Post it when you find it so we can have a look.

[GhostofTarbera]

Tax year or real year ?




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[merseygrit]

If I only contract for 6 months of the year, does this have unforeseen consequences for NI /Tax when working through an Umbrella / IR35?

I think I read something on a thread that suggested that if I worked for 6 months at £X a day and took the remaining 6 months off, I'd end up paying more tax and NI that if I worked 12 months at £X/2 a day.

I think the suggestion was more NI would be paid, but I can't find the post and can't remember the reasoning behind it. Can anyone clarify this?