Potential client seems to know very little about IR35

[Tuttle]

So then it's easy: he might as well just go through a brolly and continue not learning about his business.

Hmm, I know plenty about about my business and IR35 but I don't know the details about what the client has to do and I haven't seen an SDS yet because my current contract ends this month.

But it is rubbish to see how the government are putting so many hurdles in the way just for a guy to get some work. Especially as OP seems to be direct to the client.

I definitely agree with that!

[northernladuk]

I disagree. The hurdles affect genuine contractors and fakers, and actually affect the genuine more becuase the fakers will make a fuss and then roll over but the genuine really only have a hobson's choice.

OK I'll take that. I was thinking more along the lines that the OPs situation is perfect for a bit of client education and slam dunk outside but good point well made.

[ladymuck]

They haven't really. They've put hurdles in the way to try and sort out those that are genuine contractors running a business and those that clearly aren't.

I disagree. The hurdles affect genuine contractors and fakers, and actually affect the genuine more becuase the fakers will make a fuss and then roll over but the genuine really only have a hobson's choice.

[ladymuck]

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But it is rubbish to see how the government are putting so many hurdles in the way just for a guy to get some work. Especially as OP seems to be direct to the client.

^ This.

The arrangement the OP is describing really should be straightforward to achieve but sadly it no longer is.

[northernladuk]

Ah yes, you mean
They are going to phone me next week to talk about it but I am not really that clued up on what clients need to do from April either.

So then it's easy: he might as well just go through a brolly and continue not learning about his business.

But it is rubbish to see how the government are putting so many hurdles in the way just for a guy to get some work. Especially as OP seems to be direct to the client.

They haven't really. They've put hurdles in the way to try and sort out those that are genuine contractors running a business and those that clearly aren't.

[ChimpMaster]

You missed where the OP doesn't know either.

Ah yes, you mean
They are going to phone me next week to talk about it but I am not really that clued up on what clients need to do from April either.

So then it's easy: he might as well just go through a brolly and continue not learning about his business.

But it is rubbish to see how the government are putting so many hurdles in the way just for a guy to get some work. Especially as OP seems to be direct to the client.

[northernladuk]

Yes

Drive the process for them, get yourself an outside SDS and whoop whoop

You missed where the OP doesn't know either.

[ChimpMaster]

Why not just go in and see them, run them through CEST to get an outside IR35 determination, then write the contract and agree the working conditions based on that.

Afternoons work, job done.

Yes

Drive the process for them, get yourself an outside SDS and whoop whoop

[openstrike]

How could I make things easier for them? For example, if we inserted an agency between my ltd company and them would that simplify things at all?

Hell, no!

[mondeoman]

Why not just go in and see them, run them through CEST to get an outside IR35 determination, then write the contract and agree the working conditions based on that.

Afternoons work, job done.

[northernladuk]

No idea. IR35 shield is 499 quid for a year but dunno what services it offers. You are gonna have to have a ring around and see.

[Tuttle]

You need to point them at a professional setup that will help them through the process. They might baulk at the cost but it will help them in the longer term with other contractors in the future.

Ideas of people are QDOS, Brookson or even IR35 Shield, but I've not idea how the last one works.

Bearing in mind it's their risk they need to spend a bit to step up and be ready for any contractor requirements they will need in the future.

Thanks.

Do you have any idea what sort of cost we're talking about, e.g. hundreds, thousands or 10's of thousands?

[krytonsheep]

I'm sure someone like QDOS would be able to hold their hand through the process.

Also a nice post here for client managers

IR35 for client managers

How could I make things easier for them? For example, if we inserted an agency between my ltd company and them would that simplify things at all?

That would either cost them more money, or create a reduction in your rate to pay for the agencies cut.

[northernladuk]

You need to point them at a professional setup that will help them through the process. They might baulk at the cost but it will help them in the longer term with other contractors in the future.

Ideas of people are QDOS, Brookson or even IR35 Shield, but I've not idea how the last one works.

Bearing in mind it's their risk they need to spend a bit to step up and be ready for any contractor requirements they will need in the future.

[Tuttle]

I am trying to agree a contract with a company who seem to know very little about IR35.

They are keen for me to do some work for them but I am worried that IR35 will prove to be too much hassle for them and the contract wont happen.

They are going to phone me next week to talk about it but I am not really that clued up on what clients need to do from April either.

It is a fairly small company but has >50 employees and >10M turnover. I expect the contract to be outside IR35.

Is there a template or some sort of form that must be used for an SDS or is an SDS just a letter from the company giving their IR35 determination?

Is there somewhere where clients can get straight forward advice on what they need to do to comply with the new IR35 rules?

How could I make things easier for them? For example, if we inserted an agency between my ltd company and them would that simplify things at all?

I really want to make this contact happen, I want to do the work, they want me to do the work, it will be very frustrating if that can't happen because of IR35.