Reply to: Unite demands government outlaws umbrella companies

[LondonManc]

The lack of a full set of teeth doesn't help.

Bit harsh on SueEllen that, pal.

[northernladuk]

No, their substance addiction explains their strange looks.

The lack of a full set of teeth doesn't help.

[LondonManc]

Ahh that explains the weird looks.

No, their substance addiction explains their strange looks.

[SueEllen]

You've got to be wearing grey joggers, Nike Air Max and be from the local council estate to get in one of those up north.

Ahh that explains the weird looks.

[LondonManc]

You mean there are no Lidl and Aldi up North?

You Sir are lying as I've been to a few.

You've got to be wearing grey joggers, Nike Air Max and be from the local council estate to get in one of those up north.

[SueEllen]

Not oop north - mud is available in abundance, whereas olive oil is only seen when an Ocado driver gets lost, breaks down, and has to escape down the Manchester Ship Canal deliverance style.

You mean there are no Lidl and Aldi up North?

You Sir are lying as I've been to a few.

[barrydidit]

Mud is so passé.

Olive oil and paddling pools are in.

HTH.

Not oop north - mud is available in abundance, whereas olive oil is only seen when an Ocado driver gets lost, breaks down, and has to escape down the Manchester Ship Canal deliverance style.

[MrMarkyMark]

Will it involve mud?

Mud is so passé.

Olive oil and paddling pools are in.

HTH.

[northernladuk]

now now you lot!! And I am supposed to be producing a considered response to this!

Will it involve mud?

[LondonManc]

now now you lot!! And I am supposed to be producing a considered response to this!

I'm happily married (if that's not an oxymoron!) so whatever you want, I'll not hold you to it.

[lucyclarityumbrella]

I've not met Lucy but I'm now in a strange place between fear and arousal.

now now you lot!! And I am supposed to be producing a considered response to this!

[lucyclarityumbrella]

Love to see Len and Lucy from ContractorUmbrella in a room dooking it out

Oh believe me I am ready for it! Odd that these "issues" started as CIS workers were pushed towards umbrella's.

[LondonManc]

+1. The second half of the argument is valid.

The issue is I think the one I mentioned earlier, its the figures placed in adverts that is the problem here - except for explicit b2b transactions job adverts should exclude umbrella fees and Employers NI agencies and end clients should not be quoting things that you will never get to see if you looked at a wage slip...

I think the other problem is the lack of understanding (or indeed differentiation) by HMRC/HMG that there are types of jobs that lend themselves more to contracting and those that are of a more permanent nature. While their intention is potentially to actually push all jobs towards permanent positions with the client paying business NICs as part of a full "normal" permie engagement, the reality is that the client has no appetite to take on a specialist for a project role on a permanent position to only make them redundant a year or so later. Similarly there would be no appetite on behalf of any but the most desperately skint specialist to take such a role unless they needed to refresh their training/skillset.

[eek]

The second half of the paragraph was actually a decent speculation.

+1. The second half of the argument is valid.

The issue is I think the one I mentioned earlier, its the figures placed in adverts that is the problem here - except for explicit b2b transactions job adverts should exclude umbrella fees and Employers NI agencies and end clients should not be quoting things that you will never get to see if you looked at a wage slip...

[LondonManc]

(yawn)

The second half of the paragraph was actually a decent speculation.