PMQ's

[vetran]

But how can an employer reasonable ascertain that somebody is innocent rather than "apparently innocent", when there hasn't even been a trial yet? They can't. So you either don't hire someone just because they've been accused of stealing sweets, or you assume they're innocent until proven guilty.

as I said 'apparently innocent'.

I don't think he had been charged at the time of hiring?

[VectraMan]

he was apparently an innocent man. He was guilty of the offence at the time he was hired, that was proven by the court yesterday.

Innocent = he had not committed an offence
Apparently Innocent = he had not been convicted.

If I steal your sweeties I am guilty.

If I didn't steal your sweets and you accuse me I'm still innocent.

But how can an employer reasonable ascertain that somebody is innocent rather than "apparently innocent", when there hasn't even been a trial yet? They can't. So you either don't hire someone just because they've been accused of stealing sweets, or you assume they're innocent until proven guilty.

[Gittins Gal]

Anyone else find this whole phone hacking/Leveson business the most long winded, tedious, drawn out news story of all time?

Sick of hearing about it. A total non story.

[vetran]

He was an innocent man. He was only convicted yesterday.

he was apparently an innocent man. He was guilty of the offence at the time he was hired, that was proven by the court yesterday.

Innocent = he had not committed an offence
Apparently Innocent = he had not been convicted.

If I steal your sweeties I am guilty.

If I didn't steal your sweets and you accuse me I'm still innocent.

[VectraMan]

Coulson was vetted and apparently an innocent man.

He was an innocent man. He was only convicted yesterday.

[MicrosoftBob]

It's not a criminal offence through and how did he attack him? He stood in a fair election against him.

In what way was it a fair election ?

[Unix]

In comparison to Millband who attacked his own brother in his lust for power

Will the electorate trust someone who sinks that low ?

It's not a criminal offence through and how did he attack him? He stood in a fair election against him.

[MicrosoftBob]

In comparison to Millband who attacked his own brother in his lust for power

Will the electorate trust someone who sinks that low ?

[Unix]

Not really. He made the closest thing to an unconditional apology a politician would consider. It'll blow over and I imagine I'm not the only one who finds Milliband's gloating to be rather nauseating.

Perhaps, but he will get pwned at PMQs today at least.

[d000hg]

Not really. He made the closest thing to an unconditional apology a politician would consider. It'll blow over and I imagine I'm not the only one who finds Milliband's gloating to be rather nauseating.

[Unix]

That comment deserves one response only and that is

Perhaps, but it will at least severely tarnish the rest of his (Short) time as PM.

[kal]

Cameron will take a battering at PMQ's. I think he will resign and Osborne will take over.

That comment deserves one response only and that is

[vetran]

Doubt he will resign.

Coulson was vetted and apparently an innocent man.

He will take heat but he can probably find some Skeletons in Labours closet. Vote fixing, fraud etc.

[BigTime]

SFW, http://t.co/rR0hfmFVOo

[Unix]

Cameron will take a battering at PMQ's. I think he will resign and Osborne will take over.