Reply to: We must show support for these Indian Women

[darmstadt]

We go on about 'third world' countries but some of the 'first world' aren't so nice either:

Oklahoma Tea Party candidate claims:

Judge: Rape is okay when the 13-year-old victim is "predatory"

Women 'to blame' for being raped | Mail Online

And so on...

[xoggoth]

surely the answer is to castrate and lock up the bastards who treat women this way and send the message that if you do this, it won't be tolerated

I agree. Unfortunately the status of women in too many countries often prevents such crimes being treated as crimes at all and the police may often be complicit, as in the India rape case. Sometimes the girl may even be seen as responsible for allowing herself to be put in that position. While a rape, murder or serious injury here will hit the papers, such crimes are often unreported in those countries and the prevalence is greatly understated. Just 3 examples:

Uganda:

Peter Georges of the St Nicholas Uganda Children's Fund, writing about child poverty in Uganda, says defilement of school-age girls is common. "Rape is always a danger as girls travel to and from school through risky neighbourhoods at dawn and dusk.

Defilement crime on the rise in Uganda | Katine | theguardian.com

Bangladesh:

Sexual harassment is common place in garment factories and women are threatened with dismissal if they speak out.
...
Even the journey to and from the workplace is fraught with danger. Women workers run the risk of rape and harassment.

LABOUR-BANGLADESH: Women Suffer Most in Garment Sweatshops | Inter Press Service

South Africa:

But such a display seems unlikely in a country where rights groups complain that rape has become normalised and lost the power to shock. In 2010-11, 56,272 rapes were recorded in South Africa, an average of 154 a day and more than double the rate in India.

South African girl's gang-rape and murder triggers political outrage | World news | theguardian.com
South Africa Rape Tragedy Behind Crime Figures

[MicrosoftBob]

+1

BBC News - Why are women being hanged in India?

That seems to suggest that some are hanging victims to hide evidence. They need to be castrated, hands amputated then locked up.

That's all a struggling democracy needs, an eye for an eye. That's one step away from sharia law

[BrilloPad]

the answer is to castrate and lock up the bastards who treat women this way and send the message that if you do this, it won't be tolerated.

+1

BBC News - Why are women being hanged in India?

That seems to suggest that some are hanging victims to hide evidence. They need to be castrated, hands amputated then locked up.

[mudskipper]

Hardly comparable to gang rape followed by hanging is it? While we do have our own problems, they are just not at the same level.
India is certainly not unique. In Uganda, for example, a major impediment to the education of girls is the risk they run just getting to school.

People live in a fantasy about the nature of much of the third world or somehow imagine that immigrants leave all their acquired tendencies behind them when they cross our borders. We are landed with the burden of tackling a plethora of problems we did not need to have.

No it's not the same. And rape is a huge problem in India, which is at least partly a cultural issue - it's seen as a social problem and not treated with the gravity it should be. But it is still a tiny of minority of people who think it's OK. Probably proportionately equivalent to the number of people who think beating up someone because of the colour of their skin, or their sexuality is OK in this country. The difference being that the law here is a lot more likely to crack down on it.

It's a problem that needs to be addressed - I read an article recently which suggested that a solution is to provide safe toilets for women to visit to stop them having to wander off to answer nature's call. That got me a bit cross - surely the answer is to castrate and lock up the bastards who treat women this way and send the message that if you do this, it won't be tolerated.

[MicrosoftBob]

People live in a fantasy about the nature of much of the third world or somehow imagine that immigrants leave all their acquired tendencies behind them when they cross our borders. We are landed with the burden of tackling a plethora of problems we did not need to have.

Which is why Hadrians Wall was built

[xoggoth]

Some Brits think it's fair game to get lagered up and smash up town centres

Hardly comparable to gang rape followed by hanging is it? While we do have our own problems, they are just not at the same level.
India is certainly not unique. In Uganda, for example, a major impediment to the education of girls is the risk they run just getting to school.

People live in a fantasy about the nature of much of the third world or somehow imagine that immigrants leave all their acquired tendencies behind them when they cross our borders. We are landed with the burden of tackling a plethora of problems we did not need to have.

[SueEllen]

At least 1.1m pupils speak English as a second language - Telegraph

So?

The figures don't break it down into those who are born here or emigrate* here before 5 and speak English as a second language, and those who arrive as teenagers with NO English so it becomes their second language.

The first group will have no problems at school if they have decent parents. The second group will have problems unless they are good linguists.

*Though even that isn't as clear cut as some come from another predominately English speaking country.

[DodgyAgent]

Not sure if that's a yes or a no! If we segregate genders but they are taught the same stuff is the act of segregating by gender itself wrong - or only when it is used to disadvantage/discriminate against one group or the other?

I am not discussing the rights and wrongs of the policies over segregation I am saying that everyone should abide by the same laws irrespective of what religion or culture or gender or sexual orientation they may be. The UK has probably got the balance of the argument about segregation between boys and girls as right as is possible. If you want to discuss this then may I suggest you start another thread.

[MicrosoftBob]

At least 1.1m pupils speak English as a second language - Telegraph

That figure looks a bit low does it include scousers, anyone who speaks brizzle ?

[BrilloPad]

At least 1.1m pupils speak English as a second language - Telegraph

[MicrosoftBob]

They'll probably get round it by throwing the lefties a bone and declaring women only short lists for some places, and by chance those places are segragated

[d000hg]

Whatever the laws and rules that exist within the UK education sector should apply equally to everyone irrespective of race, ethnic origin or whatever else is relevant.

Not sure if that's a yes or a no! If we segregate genders but they are taught the same stuff is the act of segregating by gender itself wrong - or only when it is used to disadvantage/discriminate against one group or the other?

[northernladuk]

So if you come up with an opinion on something I can simply tell you shut up because I judge it be nothing to do with you, you dont care or you have not got anything better to do?

Of course you can. If you are willing to give it you have to be able to take it. Either that or....

Alternatively you could stick to the topic or STFU

.... cry about it.

[DodgyAgent]

Where would you like British citizens to ***** off to? School is a legal requirement for kids, so it's not like they or their parents can choose not to go, so they are being forced to do something or what? Leave the country and give up their whole lives? And that's assuming they can, especially if you UKIPers get your way and deny UK citizens the right to live in other EU countries.

Everyone has a choice. If people do not like the laws of the UK then they are free to emigrate. If what you are suggesting is to turn a blind eye to illegal cultural practices or discriminate in terms of law making then argue it rather than use the UKIP smear.