Reply to: Be nice to Ukip

[Mich the Tester]

The first they can do but the second can't be done. Hence the ConLibs (and silent Labour) agreement on making it difficult for EU citizens to claim UK benefits. Though they have gone about it a stupid way.......

They can't easaily do the first either because the conservatives do not have a majority on their own. They'd need to agree a referendum with the LibDems; if the LibDems don't agree in the current parliament then they could walk out on the current coalition, leading to an election, which Ed Miliband might just win.

The Conservatives have had to make a compromise to build a coalition; they have promised that if they get a majority at the next election then there will be a referendum on EU membership after CMD has tried renegotiating EU membership. That's about as far as they can go given the current make up of the house of commons.

[SueEllen]

FTFY.

Easy way to get rid of UKIP, give the promised EU referendum instead of just putting it in the Manifesto and manage immigration to sensible levels.
After that they don't have much going for them.

The first they can do but the second can't be done. Hence the ConLibs (and silent Labour) agreement on making it difficult for EU citizens to claim UK benefits. Though they have gone about it a stupid way.......

[vetran]

UKIP are being painted as BNP Lite. because they are frightening too many major parties.

qh

FTFY.

Easy way to get rid of UKIP, give the promised EU referendum instead of just putting it in the Manifesto and manage immigration to sensible levels.
After that they don't have much going for them.

[quackhandle]

UKIP = BNP Lite.

qh

[SantaClaus]

Confirms everything I always thought about UKIP...

Ukip could back Tory government after 2015 election, says Nigel Farage | Politics | theguardian.com

[TheFaQQer]

Even the Daily Mail app has been sticking it to UKIP this week

[xoggoth]

we’ve not organised or supported a single protest at their events

Oh really? What is the news story in this thread about then?

The comments come as dozens of members of the UAF (Unite Against Fascism) group plan to picket the meeting at the Ralli Memorial Hall in Denmark Villas, Hove, from 7pm tomorrow (Tuesday 13 May).

UKIP chairman hits out at planned Hove protest | Brighton and Hove News

And:

Unite Against Facism had called for all those “sickened” by UKIP’s adverts to gather in protest.

Edinburgh hears Salmond's plea for peaceful UKIP protest, one year after Farage is rescued by police from angry mob - Daily Record

And this is on UAF's own Facebook page:

London Protest outside Farage's Rally - Stand up to UKIP
7 May at 18:00 in UTC+01
Outside the Emmanuel Centre, Marsham St, Westminster London SW1P 3DW 354 people went.

https://www.facebook.com/UAFpage/pos...52058387850814

[xoggoth]

It was BNP when I was involved and they have a strong master race contingent.

Any unbiased links to show there are many from BNP or worse? Here is their website: (though seems a bit out of date)

March For England - Home

Certainly there are left biased sites accusing them of having members who used to be in BNP etc and by implication smearing all of them but, as usual, there are very double standards operating. On the very same page they accuse the right who (quite justifiably) oppose Islamic extremism of implicitly smearing all Muslims.

However, the UAF have no business getting involved with a democratic party like UKIP.

We agree on that anyway. Let them argue their case through the proper democratic channels.

[darmstadt]

Bleating about freedom of speech from UAF? That's rich coming from those violent scumbags. This is a group that turns up to any "right wing" event, typically outnumbering the followers 3 or 4 to 1, and uses intimidation and violence to prevent any free expression.

The thing is, who is stating the truth here:

It transpired Mr Farage was talking about Unite Against Fascism, whose parliamentary officer is Labour MP Peter Hain, and the Hope Not Hate campaign group, one of whose patrons is Labour peer Baroness Kinnock.

When asked whether Mr Farage was accusing Labour of having organised the violence in some way he said “no”, adding: “I said Unite Against Fascism and Hope Not Hate are taxpayer funded, they are trade-union funded, they are headed up by very senior Labour figures”.

So some of the above seems to be true:

It transpired Mr Farage was talking about Unite Against Fascism, whose parliamentary officer is Labour MP Peter Hain, and the Hope Not Hate campaign group, one of whose patrons is Labour peer Baroness Kinnock.

And some possibly not:

He challenged Mr Farage to “stand up” the claims made yesterday, saying: “If he’s got evidence that we’ve been behind violence I’d like to see it. He’s made claims against us and we know it’s not true - we’ve not organised or supported a single protest at their events. We’d like him to stand it up because we’re confident he hasn’t got any answers to it.”

Unite Against Fascism said they do not receive any government funding and will be writing to Mr Farage to have the Ukip leader retract his claims.

Both sides need to come clean and provide the relevant information to back up their claims and until then both sides are pretty much talking crap...

[speling bee]

No righty bias here. From the leftists themselves:



IS Network - Report: March for England - another fascist washout

Significant fascist and master race believers in these marches exist only in their imagination.

I have rather lost track. It was BNP when I was involved and they have a strong master race contingent. Here's their founder.



I doubt the EDF are much different.

However, the UAF have no business getting involved with a democratic party like UKIP.

Interestingly Teddy Taylor and David Cameron were signatories to the founding statement of the UAF.

[SueEllen]

Unlike the Mirror, Guardian, Observer and BBC that are completely impartial.

Only the BBC is suppose to be impartial.

The rest can be as impartial as they don't like the same as the right wing media.

[xoggoth]

No righty bias here. From the leftists themselves:

Last Sunday saw the latest attempt of the floundering British fascist movement to “take back the streets” under the banner of March for England in Brighton. However, in what has become a yearly ritual humiliation for the “Master Race”, over a thousand anti-fascists chased the tiny far-right gathering out of Brighton, most of them only getting out in one piece thanks to the enormous presence of Sussex Police.

IS Network - Report: March for England - another fascist washout

Significant fascist and master race believers in these marches exist only in their imagination.

[speling bee]

Yes, but not the violence and intimidation. We are not talking about a few well behaved people politely chanting facist here. UKIP's objection has to be seen in the context of the whole threatening nature of these people, other insults, threatening gestures, hurled missiles, people trying to break through police barriers and generally scaring their opponents.

Police blame anti-fascists for violence - Crime - UK - The Independent

I don't remember the police blaming themselves for attacking me at anti fascist demonstrations.

[xoggoth]

But you support the UAF's right to say these things of course.

Yes, but not the violence and intimidation. We are not talking about a few well behaved people politely chanting facist here. UKIP's objection has to be seen in the context of the whole threatening nature of these people, other insults, threatening gestures, hurled missiles, people trying to break through police barriers and generally scaring their opponents.

We have seen groups of people, predominantly associated with the UAF, engaging in violent confrontation," he said. "It is clear to me that a large number have attended with the sole intention of committing disorder and their actions have been wholly unacceptable. They acted with, at times, extreme violence and their actions led to injuries to police officers, protesters and members of the public.

Police blame anti-fascists for violence - Crime - UK - The Independent

[speling bee]

Bleating about freedom of speech from UAF? That's rich coming from those violent scumbags. This is a group that turns up to any "right wing" event, typically outnumbering the followers 3 or 4 to 1, and uses intimidation and violence to prevent any free expression.

But you support the UAF's right to say these things of course.