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Originally posted by xoggoth View PostOne thing is for sure, the situation will not be helped by flooding the UK with even more lower skilled workers.
Bear in mind that the entire world does not have the sort of drive that China has and even that economy may hit the buffers when its runs into an ageing population problem far worse than the UK's. Looking at the developing world economies, they appear to suffer from all the same bubbles as ours. The last decades' tiger economies were somewhat exposed as smoke and mirrors when the US cut money supply. Some advanced economies that we always thought of as very sound are suffering, look at Japan or Sweden. There's no reason to think that most other nations are going to burst ahead in a few decades or even centuries, that other advanced nations may not decline at a greater rate or that the UK cannot hold its own if we take the necessary steps.
Developing technology and trying to keep one step ahead probably. There will be no economic incentive to invest in labour saving technology if we keep importing cheap labour. Small example but we had some good technology called the car wash, now they are increasingly standing empty while hoards of EUs stand around supermarket car parks shouting "You want car wash?" Perhaps investing the billions we waste on foreign aid or the EU budget in our economy might help too.
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Originally posted by speling bee View PostThe correct answer is:
By forging a glorious new chapter in our nation's history.
One thing all those countries have in common?
They are all run by politicians who put their own countries interests above those of other countries.
What do we get?
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How will you manage the continuing rise of developing countries' increasing industrial output and its impact on the wages that can be commanded by lower skilled UK workers?
Bear in mind that the entire world does not have the sort of drive that China has and even that economy may hit the buffers when its runs into an ageing population problem far worse than the UK's. Looking at the developing world economies, they appear to suffer from all the same bubbles as ours. The last decades' tiger economies were somewhat exposed as smoke and mirrors when the US cut money supply. Some advanced economies that we always thought of as very sound are suffering, look at Japan or Sweden. There's no reason to think that most other nations are going to burst ahead in a few decades or even centuries, that other advanced nations may not decline at a greater rate or that the UK cannot hold its own if we take the necessary steps.
Developing technology and trying to keep one step ahead probably. There will be no economic incentive to invest in labour saving technology if we keep importing cheap labour. Small example but we had some good technology called the car wash, now they are increasingly standing empty while hoards of EUs stand around supermarket car parks shouting "You want car wash?" Perhaps investing the billions we waste on foreign aid or the EU budget in our economy might help too.Last edited by xoggoth; 22 April 2014, 22:21.
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Originally posted by vetran View Postyeah it was all Thatch's fault..
Ten myths about Margaret Thatcher exploded – Telegraph Blogs
Fairly balanced report on her.
More pits closed before she arrived than under her. Manufacturing was a mess etc. But she did a few bad things.
Point 3 is interesting for instance "The number of people on incapacity benefit soared." - this was the Faustian pact made by the Tories with the people. They'd put you on incapacity because you had no hope of getting a job ever again and this way it meant you didn't show up in the unemployment figures.
Wonder where the culture of dependence on state benefits came from...
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Originally posted by Mich the Tester View PostBy harrumphing a lot!
By forging a glorious new chapter in our nation's history.
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Originally posted by speling bee View PostHow will you manage the continuing rise of developing countries' increasing industrial output and its impact on the wages that can be commanded by lower skilled UK workers?
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Originally posted by xoggoth View PostFor all the hype about the lazy British, some fail to grasp an important fact. Imported foreign labour cannot only undercut lazy welfare scroungers, it must also reduce the chances, and the wages, of those decent people who are prepared to look for work, that's the way that competition works.
Moreover, immigration from the EU will increase divisions within our society because it is not mainly the white British who are being driven out but some ethnic groups who are already among the poorest in our society. We need to get these into our economy, not push them down further.
Good for UKIP in not giving in to political correctness and pretending that we all benefit from this EU nonsense. It is unacceptable in a first world society that the lowest earning workers should be expected to compete with those from much poorer countries, to have to live in areas that are being changed beyond recognition, to pay more and more for rented accommodation, while the wealthy are allowed to reap all the rewards of cheap labour and live in nice middle class areas away from all the problems. All citizens who are prepared to do what they reasonably can should share in increased prosperity.
We need a nationalist government that will try and restore a proper bond and some trust between government and citizens by putting the latter ahead of high flying ideals that mainly benefit the well off businessmen and the empire building politicians.
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Originally posted by xoggoth View PostFor all the hype about the lazy British, some fail to grasp an important fact. Imported foreign labour cannot only undercut lazy welfare scroungers, it must also reduce the chances, and the wages, of those decent people who are prepared to look for work, that's the way that competition works.
Moreover, immigration from the EU will increase divisions within our society because it is not mainly the white British who are being driven out but some ethnic groups who are already among the poorest in our society. We need to get these into our economy, not push them down further.
Good for UKIP in not giving in to political correctness and pretending that we all benefit from this EU nonsense. It is unacceptable in a first world society that the lowest earning workers should be expected to compete with those from much poorer countries, to have to live in areas that are being changed beyond recognition, to pay more and more for rented accommodation, while the wealthy are allowed to reap all the rewards of cheap labour and live in nice middle class areas away from all the problems. All citizens who are prepared to do what they reasonably can should share in increased prosperity.
We need a nationalist government that will try and restore a proper bond and some trust between government and citizens by putting the latter ahead of high flying ideals that mainly benefit the well off businessmen and the empire building politicians.
Why does it need UKIP to say this?
What happened to the Labour party? And those 'patriotic' Conservatives?Last edited by Flashman; 22 April 2014, 21:28.
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For all the hype about the lazy British, some fail to grasp an important fact. Imported foreign labour cannot only undercut lazy welfare scroungers, it must also reduce the chances, and the wages, of those decent people who are prepared to look for work, that's the way that competition works.
Moreover, immigration from the EU will increase divisions within our society because it is not mainly the white British who are being driven out but some ethnic groups who are already among the poorest in our society. We need to get these into our economy, not push them down further.
Good for UKIP in not giving in to political correctness and pretending that we all benefit from this EU nonsense. It is unacceptable in a first world society that the lowest earning workers should be expected to compete with those from much poorer countries, to have to live in areas that are being changed beyond recognition, to pay more and more for rented accommodation, while the wealthy are allowed to reap all the rewards of cheap labour and live in nice middle class areas away from all the problems. All citizens who are prepared to do what they reasonably can should share in increased prosperity.
We need a nationalist government that will try and restore a proper bond and some trust between government and citizens by putting the latter ahead of high flying ideals that mainly benefit the well off businessmen and the empire building politicians.
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Originally posted by darmstadt View PostWell I know for a fact I wasn't one of the top 1% earners who managed to get up off their arse and hop off to another country to be paid an enormous amount, in fact I wasn't earning anything at the time yet I managed to do it. Maybe if some people had a bit of get up and go then you wouldn't have all these problems that the Mail moans about. But no, everyone is just content to let someone else do the work and the masses just continue to moan, pathetic.
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostNot everyone lives in your bubble of 1% of the top earners on the planet. Not everyone can get on a trauin and hop off to a foreign country to be paid some enormous amount of money to build something that removes jobs. having said that I am sure there are indeed a globetrotting "set" who are enjoying the benefits of £6.00 an hour in foreign currencies
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostNot everyone lives in your bubble of 1% of the top earners on the planet. Not everyone can get on a trauin and hop off to a foreign country to be paid some enormous amount of money to build something that removes jobs. having said that I am sure there are indeed a globetrotting "set" who are enjoying the benefits of £6.00 an hour in foreign currencies
Originally posted by Mich the Tester View PostWell yes, but I'd actually prefer to not have to take any interest in politics and just trust that the basic jobs of admin, justice, defence, edjumacayshun, foreign relations are done with a minimal intrusion into the liberty of the individual. This is perhaps a naïve hope, but more of a reflection of my views.Last edited by Zero Liability; 22 April 2014, 17:12.
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Originally posted by sasguru View PostIn the long run, somehow, humanity inches forward and the cretins get dragged, kicking and screaming, into doing the right thing - but what a waste of time and energy it is.
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