Reply to: I have promised to do whatever it takes to help Nigel Farage’s Ukip emerge the winner

[d000hg]

The glorious chapter's happening right now. British sportspeople winning all sorts of stuff, British high tech businesses doing well, more cars being made in Britain than any time since the 60s, British universities at the top of the world, British scientific research at the top of the world, British motor racing technology (and a driver) dominating; just what do these success stories have in common? Is it, erm, high levels of education, skill and training?

Well, this points to an excellent education system producing workers 15 years or more ago, and athletes 5-10 years ago, if we want to split hairs. Is the system still producing people now who will continue to help the UK shine?

[Flashman]

One thing is for sure, the situation will not be helped by flooding the UK with even more lower skilled workers.

Bear in mind that the entire world does not have the sort of drive that China has and even that economy may hit the buffers when its runs into an ageing population problem far worse than the UK's. Looking at the developing world economies, they appear to suffer from all the same bubbles as ours. The last decades' tiger economies were somewhat exposed as smoke and mirrors when the US cut money supply. Some advanced economies that we always thought of as very sound are suffering, look at Japan or Sweden. There's no reason to think that most other nations are going to burst ahead in a few decades or even centuries, that other advanced nations may not decline at a greater rate or that the UK cannot hold its own if we take the necessary steps.

Developing technology and trying to keep one step ahead probably. There will be no economic incentive to invest in labour saving technology if we keep importing cheap labour. Small example but we had some good technology called the car wash, now they are increasingly standing empty while hoards of EUs stand around supermarket car parks shouting "You want car wash?" Perhaps investing the billions we waste on foreign aid or the EU budget in our economy might help too.

See also training. Training takes time, effort and money. Why bother when you can buy a trained employee 'off the shelf' from overseas?

[Flashman]

The correct answer is:

By forging a glorious new chapter in our nation's history.

Working ok for Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Singapore.... The Americans are actually seeing a return of previously outsourced manufacturing from China and they are paid significantly more than us!

One thing all those countries have in common?

They are all run by politicians who put their own countries interests above those of other countries.

What do we get?

[xoggoth]

How will you manage the continuing rise of developing countries' increasing industrial output and its impact on the wages that can be commanded by lower skilled UK workers?

One thing is for sure, the situation will not be helped by flooding the UK with even more lower skilled workers.

Bear in mind that the entire world does not have the sort of drive that China has and even that economy may hit the buffers when its runs into an ageing population problem far worse than the UK's. Looking at the developing world economies, they appear to suffer from all the same bubbles as ours. The last decades' tiger economies were somewhat exposed as smoke and mirrors when the US cut money supply. Some advanced economies that we always thought of as very sound are suffering, look at Japan or Sweden. There's no reason to think that most other nations are going to burst ahead in a few decades or even centuries, that other advanced nations may not decline at a greater rate or that the UK cannot hold its own if we take the necessary steps.

Developing technology and trying to keep one step ahead probably. There will be no economic incentive to invest in labour saving technology if we keep importing cheap labour. Small example but we had some good technology called the car wash, now they are increasingly standing empty while hoards of EUs stand around supermarket car parks shouting "You want car wash?" Perhaps investing the billions we waste on foreign aid or the EU budget in our economy might help too.

[Smartie]

yeah it was all Thatch's fault..

Ten myths about Margaret Thatcher exploded – Telegraph Blogs

Fairly balanced report on her.

More pits closed before she arrived than under her. Manufacturing was a mess etc. But she did a few bad things.

Balanced from the Telegraph?

Point 3 is interesting for instance "The number of people on incapacity benefit soared." - this was the Faustian pact made by the Tories with the people. They'd put you on incapacity because you had no hope of getting a job ever again and this way it meant you didn't show up in the unemployment figures.
Wonder where the culture of dependence on state benefits came from...

[speling bee]

By harrumphing a lot!

The correct answer is:

By forging a glorious new chapter in our nation's history.

[Mich the Tester]

How will you manage the continuing rise of developing countries' increasing industrial output and its impact on the wages that can be commanded by lower skilled UK workers?

By harrumphing a lot!

[speling bee]

For all the hype about the lazy British, some fail to grasp an important fact. Imported foreign labour cannot only undercut lazy welfare scroungers, it must also reduce the chances, and the wages, of those decent people who are prepared to look for work, that's the way that competition works.

Moreover, immigration from the EU will increase divisions within our society because it is not mainly the white British who are being driven out but some ethnic groups who are already among the poorest in our society. We need to get these into our economy, not push them down further.

Good for UKIP in not giving in to political correctness and pretending that we all benefit from this EU nonsense. It is unacceptable in a first world society that the lowest earning workers should be expected to compete with those from much poorer countries, to have to live in areas that are being changed beyond recognition, to pay more and more for rented accommodation, while the wealthy are allowed to reap all the rewards of cheap labour and live in nice middle class areas away from all the problems. All citizens who are prepared to do what they reasonably can should share in increased prosperity.

We need a nationalist government that will try and restore a proper bond and some trust between government and citizens by putting the latter ahead of high flying ideals that mainly benefit the well off businessmen and the empire building politicians.

How will you manage the continuing rise of developing countries' increasing industrial output and its impact on the wages that can be commanded by lower skilled UK workers? It results IMO from the unwinding of the competitive advantage created in the imperialist age. The days when a factory worker (without specialist engineering skills) can earn a good living are sadly gone.

[Flashman]

For all the hype about the lazy British, some fail to grasp an important fact. Imported foreign labour cannot only undercut lazy welfare scroungers, it must also reduce the chances, and the wages, of those decent people who are prepared to look for work, that's the way that competition works.

Moreover, immigration from the EU will increase divisions within our society because it is not mainly the white British who are being driven out but some ethnic groups who are already among the poorest in our society. We need to get these into our economy, not push them down further.

Good for UKIP in not giving in to political correctness and pretending that we all benefit from this EU nonsense. It is unacceptable in a first world society that the lowest earning workers should be expected to compete with those from much poorer countries, to have to live in areas that are being changed beyond recognition, to pay more and more for rented accommodation, while the wealthy are allowed to reap all the rewards of cheap labour and live in nice middle class areas away from all the problems. All citizens who are prepared to do what they reasonably can should share in increased prosperity.

We need a nationalist government that will try and restore a proper bond and some trust between government and citizens by putting the latter ahead of high flying ideals that mainly benefit the well off businessmen and the empire building politicians.

Why does it need UKIP to say this?

What happened to the Labour party? And those 'patriotic' Conservatives?

[xoggoth]

For all the hype about the lazy British, some fail to grasp an important fact. Imported foreign labour cannot only undercut lazy welfare scroungers, it must also reduce the chances, and the wages, of those decent people who are prepared to look for work, that's the way that competition works.

Moreover, immigration from the EU will increase divisions within our society because it is not mainly the white British who are being driven out but some ethnic groups who are already among the poorest in our society. We need to get these into our economy, not push them down further.

Good for UKIP in not giving in to political correctness and pretending that we all benefit from this EU nonsense. It is unacceptable in a first world society that the lowest earning workers should be expected to compete with those from much poorer countries, to have to live in areas that are being changed beyond recognition, to pay more and more for rented accommodation, while the wealthy are allowed to reap all the rewards of cheap labour and live in nice middle class areas away from all the problems. All citizens who are prepared to do what they reasonably can should share in increased prosperity.

We need a nationalist government that will try and restore a proper bond and some trust between government and citizens by putting the latter ahead of high flying ideals that mainly benefit the well off businessmen and the empire building politicians.

[Mich the Tester]

Well I know for a fact I wasn't one of the top 1% earners who managed to get up off their arse and hop off to another country to be paid an enormous amount, in fact I wasn't earning anything at the time yet I managed to do it. Maybe if some people had a bit of get up and go then you wouldn't have all these problems that the Mail moans about. But no, everyone is just content to let someone else do the work and the masses just continue to moan, pathetic.

Ah but you see DA doesn't believe in letting the successful people forge ahead and letting the less successful stumble along until they meet success by accident or sheer bloody sweat; he'd prefer to rig the rules, handicap the competition and tie down the top to protect the rest. It's a bit like the egg and spoon race where everybody gets a prize even though they're crap.

[darmstadt]

Not everyone lives in your bubble of 1% of the top earners on the planet. Not everyone can get on a trauin and hop off to a foreign country to be paid some enormous amount of money to build something that removes jobs. having said that I am sure there are indeed a globetrotting "set" who are enjoying the benefits of £6.00 an hour in foreign currencies

Well I know for a fact I wasn't one of the top 1% earners who managed to get up off their arse and hop off to another country to be paid an enormous amount, in fact I wasn't earning anything at the time yet I managed to do it. Maybe if some people had a bit of get up and go then you wouldn't have all these problems that the Mail moans about. But no, everyone is just content to let someone else do the work and the masses just continue to moan, pathetic.

[Zero Liability]

Not everyone lives in your bubble of 1% of the top earners on the planet. Not everyone can get on a trauin and hop off to a foreign country to be paid some enormous amount of money to build something that removes jobs. having said that I am sure there are indeed a globetrotting "set" who are enjoying the benefits of £6.00 an hour in foreign currencies

You don't have to be part of the 1% (not that most contractors are or that the term is of much use, other than for stoking sentiments of envy) to be globally mobile and agile.

Well yes, but I'd actually prefer to not have to take any interest in politics and just trust that the basic jobs of admin, justice, defence, edjumacayshun, foreign relations are done with a minimal intrusion into the liberty of the individual. This is perhaps a naïve hope, but more of a reflection of my views.

It is indeed, but one can dream. Unless you're an influential lobby, I can't think of an area that is less rewarding for any effort or interest put in it than politics.

[sasguru]

If only we could all be like you - the fully finished Cretin

You're a prime example of what I mean - such a dense knucklehead you can't see that an open Europe is good for your business.

[DodgyAgent]

In the long run, somehow, humanity inches forward and the cretins get dragged, kicking and screaming, into doing the right thing - but what a waste of time and energy it is.

If only we could all be like you - the fully finished Cretin