Reply to: Doublespeak

[Troll]

What's one of those? Can a fake one become a real one over time?

Think it depends if you grew or flew here

[doodab]

FTFY

I was always too stoned to drink in those days. Her mum used to be very kind and stuff me full of biscuits though.

[darmstadt]

What is a real brit exactly? Someone like Bertrand Russell who was prepared to go to prison for his beliefs? Or Alan Turing? Thatcher? Nick Griffin? Are educated, erudite people allowed or should only the wilfully ignorant apply?

We're talking about education, not indoctrination. Learning something of other faiths is a simple way to avoid ignorance. As an atheist who has had christian myths rammed down my throat by the school system since age 5 I think it's at least vaguely sensible to understand the basics of what others believe, if only to avoid obvious faux pas like telling your girlfriend's deeply religous parents that you don't go to midnight mass on christmas eve because you're absolutely ******* hammered and if you drink anymore then you won't be able to give their daughter her surprise Christmas present...

FTFY

[DaveB]

The whole education system is riddled with leftist idealogues who want to produce model citizens for the ensuing Marxist dystopia that will emerge unless us real Brits stand up and show a bit of spunk.

So, not unreasonable at all.

BINGO!

[doodab]

The whole education system is riddled with leftist idealogues who want to produce model citizens for the ensuing Marxist dystopia that will emerge unless us real Brits stand up and show a bit of spunk.

So, not unreasonable at all.

What is a real brit exactly? Someone like Bertrand Russell who was prepared to go to prison for his beliefs? Or Alan Turing? Thatcher? Nick Griffin? Are educated, erudite people allowed or should only the wilfully ignorant apply?

We're talking about education, not indoctrination. Learning something of other faiths is a simple way to avoid ignorance. As an atheist who has had christian myths rammed down my throat by the school system since age 5 I think it's at least vaguely sensible to understand the basics of what others believe, if only to avoid obvious faux pas like telling your girlfriend's deeply religous parents that you don't go to midnight mass on christmas eve because you don't believe in any of that mumbo jumbo.

[oracleslave]

real Brits

What's one of those? Can a fake one become a real one over time?

[Gittins Gal]

You can hardly extrapolate that out to the whole education system.

The whole education system is riddled with leftist idealogues who want to produce model citizens for the ensuing Marxist dystopia that will emerge unless us real Brits stand up and show a bit of spunk.

So, not unreasonable at all.

[Doggy Styles]

Reading the actual article it's clear this was a single school, the letter was withdrawn once the council got involved and it seems extremely likely that it was down to one individual in the school who wrote the letter without consultation. You can hardly extrapolate that out to the whole education system.

I don't think that dear GG was extrapolating it out to the whole education system.

It was an amusing anecdote. It would be interesting to hear the views of whoever wrote the letter.

[eek]

It is interesting - but this is actually the fall out of a different issue.

I will give you a 100% guarantee that the school in question and potential some of the teachers were being put ubnder pressure to imporve the culturalness of their pupils

In which case its a educational trip that is required as part of the curriculum and should not have been charged for......

If you are vindictive this stuff can be fun. For things in term time you can argue every single way (and usually get them to admit defeat).

[original PM]

It is interesting - but this is actually the fall out of a different issue.

I will give you a 100% guarantee that the school in question and potential some of the teachers were being put ubnder pressure to imporve the culturalness of their pupils

To the point where I reckon there will have been a target set so someone can tick a box which says 'x% of our pupils have been given education on non christian faiths'

But they will need to prove it - and so they have to be able to show they took the kids on a non christian faith day out

There you go box ticked - except the cost was £5 the parents told em to go feck themselves and so they need to play the heavy cards.

It is just a joke bought about by box ticking bell ends who think that success is a tick in the box regardless of what reality is.

[MicrosoftBob]

Reading the actual article it's clear this was a single school, the letter was withdrawn once the council got involved and it seems extremely likely that it was down to one individual in the school who wrote the letter without consultation. You can hardly extrapolate that out to the whole education system yet.

FTFY

[DaveB]

There was a terrible one highlighted in a newspaper recently in which the school sent out a letter informing parents that, as part of a religious studies field trip, the children were to visit a Moslem community centre and that the action of any parent withdrawing their child from the event would be treated as racist and it would be recorded against that child in his/her record.

I'm reading 1984 at the moment and, while it would be clichéd to comment on the parallels, one can't ignore the prescience of the author.

Reading the actual article it's clear this was a single school, the letter was withdrawn once the council got involved and it seems extremely likely that it was down to one individual in the school who wrote the letter without consultation. You can hardly extrapolate that out to the whole education system.

[vetran]

I've even managed to find a Telegraph link for you. Though it was, somewhat predictably, covered in the Mail.

This is the bit I find truly Orwellian:

I don't believe that right wing rag, its only true if its in the Gaurdian or the socialist worker.

all these mad Telegraph links, what is CUK coming to?

[OwlHoot]

This is an optional trip abroad during the summer holidays, so not part of the curriculum. Seems ridiculous that the school can't just say "The trip costs X".

They might have to allocate that to a different account which would eventually show up in the DofE statistics as a cost to parents, and everyone would be moaning about rises in school charges.

[Gittins Gal]

Link? Because it sounds like the usual Wail tulipe.

I'm starting to see the point of this sockie.

I've even managed to find a Telegraph link for you. Though it was, somewhat predictably, covered in the Mail.

This is the bit I find truly Orwellian:

Refusal to allow your child to attend this trip will result in a Racial Discrimination note being attached to your child's education record, which will remain on this file throughout their school career.