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That is the reason why China sent us pandas, bribe us for our real natural resource. We effectively become the doormen to the whisky club and only our friends will get in to drink. China loves whisky and they sent us pandas, they get whisky, Spain, no whisky.
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Originally posted by xoggoth View PostSlightly more seriously, it is highly unlikely that the EU will raise any major impediments to Scotland joining the EU.
If not for opposition from some nations they would let in Turkey despite the increasing evidence of a retreat from real democracy. These lunatics would probably let in Somalia if it applied, who cares about practical consequences for existing EU citizens when a wondrous ideal is pursued?
Especially when it lines the pockets of the pursuers.
Italy and Germany were numerous smaller states/principalities very recently I'm sure there are others like Belgium that could easily split across old nationalistic lines.Last edited by TykeMerc; 25 January 2014, 19:36.
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Originally posted by xoggoth View PostSlightly more seriously, it is highly unlikely that the EU will raise any major impediments to Scotland joining the EU.
If not for opposition from some nations they would let in Turkey despite the increasing evidence of a retreat from real democracy. These lunatics would probably let in Somalia if it applied, who cares about practical consequences for existing EU citizens when a wondrous ideal is pursued?
Especially when it lines the pockets of the pursuers.
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Slightly more seriously, it is highly unlikely that the EU will raise any major impediments to Scotland joining the EU.
If not for opposition from some nations they would let in Turkey despite the increasing evidence of a retreat from real democracy. These lunatics would probably let in Somalia if it applied, who cares about practical consequences for existing EU citizens when a wondrous ideal is pursued?
Especially when it lines the pockets of the pursuers.
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The £ currency will be replaced by Square Sausage under the new Scottish government.
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Oh, here we go:
Scotland's Future
There are no circumstances in which the Scottish Government would countenance any measure being taken that jeopardized the ability of citizens across the rest of the UK and Ireland to move freely across our borders as they are presently able to do. It is for this reason that following independence Scotland will remain part of the Common Travel Area (CTA), which dates back to the 1920s.
There are absolutely no grounds to believe that the EU would challenge Scotland remaining part of the CTA rather than joining the Schengen area. The EU has spent all of its 50 or so years of existence seeking to remove borders across the EU. The EU Treaties recognise that membership of the Common Travel Area is not compatible with membership of the Schengen area.
But of course the Wail won't let that spoil their good story complete with vague sources...
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Originally posted by Flashman View PostWould be a similar case to the NI / Republic of Ireland border ?
So the choices are:
1. Scotland joins Schengen, thus removing border controls for a small number of people arriving from the Schengen area but creating new controls for a large number of arrivals from Ireland and the UK where none currently exist. It would also create a huge, porous land border with England which would need to be policed at huge monetary and economic cost.
2. Scotland joining Schengen forces the UK and Ireland to join Schengen too, thus realising the European dream of free movement. It's possible but unlikely to happen as long as people who read the Daily Wail are able to vote and UK people refuse to carry ID cards like the rest of the Schengen countries do.
3. Scotland continues to be a part of the existing Common Travel Area which costs them nothing and makes the most sense.
Which outcome do we think is most likely? Which one makes the best Daily Wail (non) story?
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The Europeans don't have border controls they have ID cards instead.
We need a massive IT project to bring that in here to. It's one contracting gravy train that has got away so far!
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Originally posted by stek View PostThen Bavaria will want it!
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Originally posted by vetran View Postbecause they as EU members refused to join when it was formed. If you join the EU now you have to join.
If Scotland become independent they will probably be considered a new entrant to the EU.
SNP believe they will be a 'transfer' not a new signing so their existing conditions should be preserved.
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Originally posted by stek View PostBoth the UK and the Republic are non-Schengen states.
If Scotland become independent they will probably be considered a new entrant to the EU.
SNP believe they will be a 'transfer' not a new signing so their existing conditions should be preserved.
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