Reply to: what a job spec

[vwdan]

Just like every other project manager then.

I wish the ones that managed the projects I work on turned up that early!

[VectraMan]

I like to think somebody went in, earned the best part of £6k by rolling up at 10:00am and leaving at 4:00pm knowing full well nothing they could do would change a single thing.

Just like every other project manager then.

[vwdan]

I like to think somebody went in, earned the best part of £6k by rolling up at 10:00am and leaving at 4:00pm knowing full well nothing they could do would change a single thing.

[suityou01]

how long before he notices...?

About a month

[MPwannadecentincome]

they didn't find anyone

Role is advertised again - either they found someone and they couldn't hack it or they are just still looking

Project Manager - Wembley Middlesex London - January-29-2014 (DIJXA)

[TykeMerc]

I look at this opportunity as a risk vs. reward situation and as a high risk gig it would carry a price to compensate for it.

Perhaps they are having a lot of trouble because of their level of investment? The old cliche...'you think hiring a professional is expensive; try hiring an amateur'

All too true, both points.

It's clear they need a real PM who can manage people and suppliers to make things happen, not some junior Gantt chart pilot who thinks that project management is about pretty documents. For £300 a day in North London they've no hope, they couldn't get someone good enough in Barnsley for that.

[MPwannadecentincome]

I don't really see why your day rate would increase. If it's difficult it takes longer. "Danger money" for dealing with a particularly horrible environment, maybe - but again if that kind of thing is going to get your blood up this probably isn't the contract for you. Some people can do confrontation, etc, at work without actually getting stressed and taking it home with them.

Its not that the day rate should increase, the rate offered is extremely low for a PM within the M25, most roles will be £375 to £475 for a PM. Dunno how much cut the agent is making but I suspect the company have already overrun budgets so can't pay much, in which case pay peanuts get monkey.

They would have been better off advertising direct - e.g. on universal job match at £350 per day there would be benched PMs who would take it up and get not far off a semi-decent rate.

[d000hg]

I don't really see why your day rate would increase. If it's difficult it takes longer. "Danger money" for dealing with a particularly horrible environment, maybe - but again if that kind of thing is going to get your blood up this probably isn't the contract for you. Some people can do confrontation, etc, at work without actually getting stressed and taking it home with them.

[Damon]

Probably. I'm not sure why you should get paid more because it's a bit of a mess; if you can't do this kind of job without letting it stress you out then maybe you're not cut out for it

Although as FA says it seems low regardless, although I don't know that location's typical rates.

I agree the stress isn't an excuse but it will be there.

My opinion on rate will be based on the difficulty on delivering in this environment. It will be professionally and personally frustrating; sure nothing unusual but the risk of blame and early termination carry a cost IMO.

I look at this opportunity as a risk vs. reward situation and as a high risk gig it would carry a price to compensate for it.

Perhaps they are having a lot of trouble because of their level of investment? The old cliche...'you think hiring a professional is expensive; try hiring an amateur'

[d000hg]

I don't know what PMs earn compared to devs but... £450?

[eek]

Probably. I'm not sure why you should get paid more because it's a bit of a mess; if you can't do this kind of job without letting it stress you out then maybe you're not cut out for it

Although as FA says it seems low regardless, although I don't know that location's typical rates.

Its outer London heading towards Heathrow / Buckinghamshire...... That should tell you the appropriate real rate...

[d000hg]

At least they are honest. It's a pragmatic description of the skillset required in some places.

But are there people who would read that and think "Ah yes, I would fit in perfectly there, sounds like just the job for me"?

Probably. I'm not sure why you should get paid more because it's a bit of a mess; if you can't do this kind of job without letting it stress you out then maybe you're not cut out for it

Although as FA says it seems low regardless, although I don't know that location's typical rates.

[fullyautomatix]

Its infuriating that they even chance putting in an ad for a PM at that day rate. Its a sad reflection on how unchecked immigration has devastated the IT industry. It seems that rate wise we are slowly heading to depressing levels.

[eek]

It sounds like current clientco. Previous clientco would be the but didn't have the stress...

Mind you not for £300 a day unless I lived next door. And if I lived next door it would be hard to live on £300 a day in that location.

[EternalOptimist]

It's a pre-screwed up job though isnt it ?

how would it be possible to even fail in a job like that ?