Bonnie Scotland's white paper is out!

[bless 'em all]

There are some rather big assumptions made in that statement.

Keeping the pound? On who's say so?

A formal arrangement with the BBC? Doesn't the BBC sell programs to foreign countries?

Kicking out Trident? They've assumed the subs and nukes will still be there to kick out?

Scotland will be a small country with a tiny defence force, outside of NATO, and shed-loads (sort of) or oil.

Who invades first? England or Norway?

[vetran]

I think we need a red bill, they need to start as they mean to go on.

someone has to pay for the sweeties!

[scooterscot]

Don't forget to apply for your visa to Germany before then as Scotland won't be in the EU anymore, you might just get deported...

Fat chance. They need skilled engineers.

More likely to have my British passport confiscated the next time I pass through a UK airport. Would not be the first time mind.

[darmstadt]

We even have an independence day set out, March 24th - new public holiday, where do I vote?

Don't forget to apply for your visa to Germany before then as Scotland won't be in the EU anymore, you might just get deported...

[scooterscot]

Apart from KUATB it reads more like a christmas present list rather than a plan for independence.

We're always kept in the back, din't you know?

[northernladuk]

Well they have a white paper and a blue print. They only need a red letter day and we might as well write it all the Union Flag!!

[eek]

We even have an independence day set out, March 24th - new public holiday, where do I vote?

Increases in minimum wage, free childcare & education, business rates reduced, what's not to like?

BBC News - Scottish independence: Referendum White Paper unveiled

Apart from KUATB it reads more like a christmas present list rather than a plan for independence.

[sbakoola]

Rab C Nesbit for president!

Rab C Nesbit for president!

[Mich the Tester]

...what's not to like?

The accounting.

[scooterscot]

We even have an independence day set out, March 24th - new public holiday, where do I vote?

Increases in minimum wage, free childcare & education, business rates reduced, what's not to like?

BBC News - Scottish independence: Referendum White Paper unveiled

Scottish independence: Referendum white paper unveiled

26 November 2013 Last updated at 13:23 GMT By Andrew Black Political reporter, BBC Scotland

First Minister Alex Salmond: "Scotland's future is in Scotland's hands"

Scottish first minister Alex Salmond has launched his government's independence blueprint, calling it a "mission statement" for the future.

The 649-page white paper promised a "revolution" in social policy, with childcare at its heart.

The launch came ahead of next September's independence referendum.

Alistair Darling, leader of the campaign to keep the Union, branded the document a "work of fiction, full of meaningless assertions".

On 18 September, Scots voters will be asked the yes/no question: "Should Scotland be an independent country?"

Launching the paper - titled Scotland's Future: Your guide to an independent Scotland - in Glasgow, Mr Salmond said: "This is the most comprehensive blueprint for an independent country ever published, not just for Scotland but for any prospective independent nation.

"But more than that, it is a mission statement and a prospectus for the kind of country we should be and which this government believes we can be.

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The white paper runs to 649 pages
"Our vision is of an independent Scotland regaining its place as an equal member of the family of nations. However, we do not seek independence as an end in itself, but rather as a means to changing Scotland for the better."

As well as making the case for independence, the white paper also set out a series of policy pledges which the SNP said it would pursue if elected as the government of an independent Scotland.

These included:

Thirty hours of childcare per week in term time for all three and four-year-olds, as well as vulnerable two-year-olds.
Trident nuclear weapons, currently based on the Clyde, removed within the first parliament.
Housing benefit reforms, described by critics as the "bedroom tax", to be abolished, and a halt to the rollout of Universal Credit.
It would be in Scotland's interest to keep the pound, while the Bank of England would continue as "lender of last resort".
BBC Scotland replaced at the start of 2017 with a new Scottish broadcasting service, continuing a formal relationship with the rest of the BBC.
Basic rate tax allowances and tax credits to rise at least in line with inflation.
A safe, "triple-locked" pension system.
Minimum wage to "rise alongside the cost of living".
The Scottish government said Scotland's finances were healthier than those of the UK, providing a strong foundation to put the focus of the referendum campaign on Scotland's future.

Mr Salmond said the list of policies would help address what he described as the "damage caused by the vast social disparities which have seen the UK become one of the most unequal societies in the developed world".

"We know we have the people, the skills and resources to make Scotland a more successful country," he added.

"What we need now are the economic tools and powers to build a more competitive, dynamic economy and create more jobs.

"This guide contains policies which offer nothing less than a revolution in employment and social policy for Scotland, with a transformational change in childcare at the heart of those plans.

"Our proposals will make it far easier for parents to balance work and family life and will allow many more people, especially women, to move into the workforce, fostering economic growth and helping to boost revenues - which will in itself help pay for the policy."

Blair Jenkins, chief executive of the pro-independence Yes Scotland campaign, said of the white paper: "It addresses the questions and concerns that matter to the people who live and work in Scotland, from childcare to how the country will be rid of Trident and the nuclear weapons of mass destruction.

"It is a very informative and easy-to-understand guide and it will open a new dimension in the debate about Scotland's future and the choice we face next September over the opportunity to make our own decisions according to our own needs, priorities and aspirations or sticking with a Westminster system that is simply not working for Scotland."

But Mr Darling, the former UK chancellor who now leads the Better Together campaign, said the white paper had failed to give credible answers to fundamentally important questions.

He went on: "What currency would we use? Who will set our mortgage rates? How much would taxes have to go up? How will we pay pensions and benefits in future?

"It is a fantasy to say we can leave the UK but still keep all the benefits of UK membership. The white paper is a work of fiction. It is thick with false promises and meaningless assertions.


Alistair Darling: "They haven't answered any of the fundamental questions to which Scotland wants the answers."
"Instead of a credible and costed plan, we have a wish-list of political promises without any answers on how Alex Salmond would pay for them."

Mr Darling said the childcare pledge could be delivered now, and raised concern about the viability of the Scottish government's plan to keep the pound, saying SNP ministers needed a currency "Plan B".

The Scottish government's critics have also questioned its plan to get rid of Trident nuclear weapons - currently based on the Clyde - while being a member of Nato.

And they have said other SNP promises, on issues like pensions and welfare, are uncosted.