Reply to: JSA claim - hmm bit different this time

[psychocandy]

I didn't give my P45 to the Job Centre. Then when I got a job, I gave my new employer my previous P45 and the Job Centre sent me another one with no numbers for the pay to date part and a letter saying they'd informed HMRC how much I'd "earned". Presumably come SA time I'll have some tax to pay on my benefits - which is kind of weird.

I'd be inclined to not bother your accountant with demands for a P45, and deregistering/reregistering PAYE. Just pay yourself zero.

Yeh you might be right about P45. JSA not that interested.

[VectraMan]

I didn't give my P45 to the Job Centre. Then when I got a job, I gave my new employer my previous P45 and the Job Centre sent me another one with no numbers for the pay to date part and a letter saying they'd informed HMRC how much I'd "earned". Presumably come SA time I'll have some tax to pay on my benefits - which is kind of weird.

I'd be inclined to not bother your accountant with demands for a P45, and deregistering/reregistering PAYE. Just pay yourself zero.

[psychocandy]

Im guessing all you are doing is calling your accountant and getting them to stop your payroll and issue the P45.
Hand that over to the dole and then merrily claim

Once you get a contract you sign off and they issue P45 which goes to your accountant and they start your payroll.

Seems a pain but if you are happy and your accountant is happy then I suppose its ok

Yep. Spot on.

[FiveTimes]

Im guessing all you are doing is calling your accountant and getting them to stop your payroll and issue the P45.
Hand that over to the dole and then merrily claim

Once you get a contract you sign off and they issue P45 which goes to your accountant and they start your payroll.

Seems a pain but if you are happy and your accountant is happy then I suppose its ok

[TheFaQQer]

Do you not need to have been an employee to claim JSA rather than an officer of the company?

And if so, wouldn't that open up questions about NMW?

[psychocandy]

Doesn't that incur costs for your accountant, time, a lot of effort and then start up costs again? Is that what you did the last time you claimed before the last gig? If you do this too regularly could you not be a prime target for phoenixing?

Like I said, no closing down. Employer (i.e my company) just issues a P45.

But yes it does incur some time from the accountant of course. Agreed I'll try not to do it too often because they will get wassed off.

[northernladuk]

Speak to your accountant and read up on the rules matey. Nothing illegal at all.
No need to close down company just tell them there is no work at the moment. PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE.

Doesn't that incur costs for your accountant, time, a lot of effort and then start up costs again? Is that what you did the last time you claimed before the last gig? If you do this too regularly could you not be a prime target for phoenixing?

[psychocandy]

The problem is that technically he needs to do the same here. He is a director of a company and therefore is not unemployed. He can resign as a director but unless someone else takes over the rule that would be impossible or he could close the company down.

Either way unless he is contracting via an umbrella he cannot legally claim this money without telling white lies....

Speak to your accountant and read up on the rules matey. Nothing illegal at all.
No need to close down company just tell them there is no work at the moment. PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE.

[psychocandy]

Cojak banned him - I updated the thread. In this instance, I felt the thread properly belonged in General.

I don't think there's anything immoral about getting money out of the system if you've a legal entitlement and you've paid plenty of money into the system. I just couldn't be bothered with the paperwork.

In order for me to get the Swiss unemployment benefit, I'd have to shut my company down. As it costs a few thou. to set up, it's not done lightly.

Agreed.

[psychocandy]

Funny, wasn't NLUK banned for saying exactly the same thing as OG did? You would probably know, since you updated the "Who's been banned" thread.

:-)

[BigRed]

I claim whatever I can. I've been subjected to various unfair taxes over the years, it's swings and roundabouts.

[northernladuk]

Good luck with that, it's seriously borked.

It's easier to ask google to do it instead.

That is why I always link the google method mentioned in this thread...

http://forums.contractoruk.com/welco...uk-forums.html

[bobspud]

I seem to remember something somewhere recently (probably on here) where the benefits people basically said spend that tax money before bothering us.

Sounds perfectly logical to me.

[eek]

I really don't recommend this route to anyone, unless you think theres a chance that you can get the money back to HMRC . It's illegal but then so is bombing/invading countries that don't have weapons of mass destruction..

I seem to remember something somewhere recently (probably on here) where the benefits people basically said spend that tax money before bothering us.

[bobspud]

and people wonder why HMRC put people's doors in.

HMRC put doors in for the same reasons as any other debt collector. Lack of contact and explanation of what's happening. By the way HMRC can't kick the door in for a company that is in administration or in agreement to make amends. Having spoken to a chap that specialises in criminal forensics within failing companies you are generally being very stupid to get any bad response out of HMRC. His company specialises in receivership and his experience of HMRC is that they are very ill equipped to handle cases where directors are at fault. His best estimate at the time was anything over a million gets mild interest the sub million mark has very little chance of being handled at all...

I really don't recommend this route to anyone, unless you think theres a chance that you can get the money back to HMRC . It's illegal but then so is bombing/invading countries that don't have weapons of mass destruction..