Reply to: Gibralter

[pjclarke]

I don't think they'd find it much like the version of the UK that they hold so dear.

Probably not, but I read that we could have relocated the entire population to some lookalike island off Scotland, given them a million quid each and it would have been cheaper than the war.

And fewer deaths, too.

Mind you, Thatcher would likely have lost the election.

[DodgyAgent]

DC is doing a great job of that isn't he.......

When we make a mess at a party we can simply call a cleaning company pay them and they will sort it out. If they do not sort it out then we can get on their case and berate them.

A lot of people seem to think that the same process applies to governing the country.
We seem to think that we can indulge ourselves in left wing governments that will leave us in dire economic straits. Just like the cleaners people seem to think that simply voting the Tories in will clean up the mess. If they do not clear it up then we can berate them.
I am afraid that it is not quite as simple as that. The Tories may not be clearing up the mess quite as we would like them to (ie without it impacting on our lives), but they are the only alternative.
So I am afraid whilst you can sit smugly criticising them for not delivering your utopia for you, you might have to accept some responsibility for making the mess in the first place and further accept that there may not be a better solution anyway.

[darmstadt]

Yes, but not keeping people queuing for 4+ hours to make a political point.

I agree, thats out of order along the proposed €50 charge. The Spanish are hopefully going to get bollocked and this will die down for a few more years.

The new rock of Gibraltar:

[xoggoth]

Gibraltar is not part of the Schengen area so surely the Spanish are more than justified in having border controls

Yes, but not keeping people queuing for 4+ hours to make a political point.

As for the general arguments, surely the views of the existing population should be the main factor in any determination of nationality in the modern age?

[OwlHoot]

There was an interesting piece I read a few days ago, about how the Spanish have a couple of outposts on the North African coast, where the local populace want to remain part of Spain, the Spanish government refuse to relinquish, but which the Moroccan government claim as being part of Morocco.

Basically the piece said that the situation was very, very similar to Gibraltar, and asked why these weren't held up as examples of Spanish hypocrisy.

The BBC have posted a couple of articles online, one a week or two ago which may be what you're referring to and another yesterday What are the competing claims over Gibraltar?

I don't detect any whiff of pro-handing-Gibraltar-back-to-Spain propaganda, which would be present if Cameron & co were bottling it and considering the idea. But then Cameron must know that if he did, he'd blow the next election for sure and be despised for the rest of his days, in a sort of anti-Falklands effect.

[Doggy Styles]

You really are an idiot, no wonder you're an agent. Nowhere does it say that I'm 'anti British', in fact I was just pondering these points but in your warped little imagination, if someone questions anything that goes against your single minded little ideals, then they're obviously anti-British. Personally I hope Gibralter stays British but if Gibraltans knew what type of people that they have in the motherland, maybe they wouldn't want to...

I think Dodgy has you banged to rights!

[Ticktock]

There was an interesting piece I read a few days ago, about how the Spanish have a couple of outposts on the North African coast, where the local populace want to remain part of Spain, the Spanish government refuse to relinquish, but which the Moroccan government claim as being part of Morocco.

Basically the piece said that the situation was very, very similar to Gibraltar, and asked why these weren't held up as examples of Spanish hypocrisy.

[cojak]

If the UK ever has to give it up, we should rename it back to Jabal al Tariq ibn Ziyad and hand it back to Morocco, who the Spanish pinched it off in the first place

[OwlHoot]

If the UK ever has to give it up, we should rename it back to Jabal al Tariq ibn Ziyad and hand it back to Morocco, who the Spanish pinched it off in the first place

[cojak]

well, are'nt we one Europe?!? So who cares about the nationality of Gibraltar?
Did they ask the poeple where they want to belong?

Gibraltar sovereignty referendum, 2002 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Gibraltar referendum asked the people of Gibraltar their opinion in the following words:

On the 12th July 2002 the Foreign Secretary, Jack Straw, in a formal statement in the House of Commons, said that after twelve months of negotiation the British Government and Spain are in broad agreement on many of the principles that should underpin a lasting settlement of Spain's sovereignty claim, which included the principle that Britain and Spain should share sovereignty over Gibraltar.
Do you approve of the principle that Britain and Spain should share sovereignty over Gibraltar?[2]

The answer:

No: 98.48%
Yes: 1.03%

[yannek]

well, are'nt we one Europe?!? So who cares about the nationality of Gibraltar?
Did they ask the poeple where they want to belong?

[bless 'em all]

Nothing a single aircraft carrier group can't deal with.

HTH

Especially if the 'aircraft' are helicopters.

[vetran]

DC is doing a great job of that isn't he.......

You aren't a happy bunny today are you?

UK economic recovery gains pace in July, says NIESR - Telegraph

Rob Wood, chief UK economist at Berenberg, said the only way to describe the data coming out of the UK was "wow", but cautioned that Bank of England policy-makers must take care not to remove supportive measures too early.

[BrilloPad]

These people are losers who have been in power for too long leaving the Tories to once again clear up the mess.

DC is doing a great job of that isn't he.......

[AtW]

Nothing a single aircraft carrier group can't deal with.

HTH