Reply to: This is how the battle of ideas is won. with a whimper

[BlasterBates]

Climate Change: Evidence

And apparently the moon-landings were faked as well.

No just the evidence for climate change.

[tomtomagain]

Climate Change: Evidence

And apparently the moon-landings were faked as well.

[BlasterBates]

[doodab]

Who would have thought a bunch of floppy haired kids would grow up to take a leading role in the climate change debate.

[d000hg]

Hansen described his projection as an outlier, and highly non-linear, most of the rise occurring long after 25 years.



I think the straw man photo shows a rise of more than c60mm ....

Indeed. All you have to do is make a wide range of speculations predictions which simultaneously suggest something massive will happen which needs a lot of funding, while covering your arse in case it doesn't.

[DodgyAgent]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr2vXCg0h0c

Climate change is the new religion with PJ Calrke your modern day preacher https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66B5ybiK12Q

[DimPrawn]

mind you. Hansen has backtracked as well.

He now reckons that armageddon will occur much later, due to 'climate inertia'

This is how the battle of ideas will be won, a little backtrack here, a little 'i was misquoted' there
a little obfuscation over yonder
till we will be left standing, wondering what all the fuss was ever about

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr2vXCg0h0c

[EternalOptimist]

mind you. Hansen has backtracked as well.

He now reckons that armageddon will occur much later, due to 'climate inertia'

This is how the battle of ideas will be won, a little backtrack here, a little 'i was misquoted' there
a little obfuscation over yonder
till we will be left standing, wondering what all the fuss was ever about

[pjclarke]

Hansen described his projection as an outlier, and highly non-linear, most of the rise occurring long after 25 years.

However, the fundamental issue is linearity versus non-linearity. Hansen (2005, 2007) argues that amplifying feedbacks make ice sheet disintegration necessarily highly non-linear. In a non-linear problem, the most relevant number for projecting sea level rise is the doubling time for the rate of mass loss. Hansen (2007) suggested that a 10-year doubling time was plausible, pointing out that such a doubling time from a base of 1 mm per year ice sheet contribution to sea level in the decade 2005-2015 would lead to a cumulative 5 m sea level rise by 2095.

I think the straw man photo shows a rise of more than c60mm ....

[EternalOptimist]

Hansen did. I dont remember you objecting back then.

5 meters by the end of the century - james Hansen

[pjclarke]

The scientists certainly don't. But then they never did. Straw Man much?

[alreadypacked]

Yes.

When the EDL/BNP form a govt and all the immigrants piss themselves.

[DimPrawn]

No wonder they are starting to recant. Does anyone still believe this will happen in 25 years time ?

anyone ?

Yes.

When the EDL/BNP form a govt and all the immigrants piss themselves.

[EternalOptimist]

No wonder they are starting to recant. Does anyone still believe this will happen in 25 years time ?

anyone ?

[pjclarke]

For people who have always doubted that the science was settled, and doubted the theory of excessive climate sensitivity, for those who have always doubted the economic sense of abandoning fossil fuels and building windmills, there has always been one big question. How do we make it look as if we have some kind of a case in the face of near-unanimous agreement amongst scientists and science academies? Well one tactic , deployed here by the Telegraph, is to ask a leading question of a politician and then selectively quote the reply. The quotee is unimpressed:-

In the light of what has appeared on the Telegraph website suggesting that I have changed my views about climate change, I wanted to make clear that this is not the case.

My views have remained the same for over two decades. I accept the overwhelming scientific evidence that human activities are having a major impact on the climate – there is an overwhelming probability that the impact of greenhouse gas emissions from human actions are contributing to climate change.

I will continue to press for urgent action on this matter, making the case that the move to a low carbon economy is not just right environmentally but also in our economic interest.

Yeah, a few more 'backtracks' of that quality and the whole thing will come crumbling down. : :