Reply to: Church tries to join 21st C

[Platypus]

Sodomy non sapiens, means 'bugger[ed] if I know'.

No it doesn't but hey ho.

[Old Hack]

That leaves monkeys on the table though?

No, sapiens means 'wise'.

Sodomy non sapiens, means 'bugger[ed] if I know'.

[d000hg]

Sodomy non sapiens.

That leaves monkeys on the table though?

[NotAllThere]

...(how do you say "no buggery" in a politically correct way?...

Sodomy non sapiens.

[d000hg]

All biblical references are to homosexual sex, not relationships. So a celibate gay 'marriage' is a bit of an edge case!

[Platypus]

You'd think so but this appears not to be the case. In fact IIRC somewhere in the bible it says that homosexuality is ok so long as the physical act is not undertaken (how do you say "no buggery" in a politically correct way?).

EDIT. I can't find the reference now, so maybe I'm wrong in that.

[MyUserName]

Because it's a massive issue if homosexuality is right or wrong since which side they stand on potentially puts them directly at odds with both the law and the current secular position.

Surely they should believe what is in the bible which states that homosexuality between males is wrong? (Note - this is not my position).

If there is any ambiguity (which there should not be as the bible was dictated by a being with infinite intelligence who would therefore be able to make his message understood to everyone across time and language barriers, especially as he is still around and therefore can ensure that no errors creep into his book) then a quick prayer for guidence would sort things out.

Also, whether they are at odds with the secular or legal position should be irrelevant. If that is what their God commands then that is what their God commands, he outranks local laws etc.

[Platypus]

For most people, slavery isn't/wasn't an issue either, doesn't mean it's not relevant. These things filter down from the top so the top needs to know what it believes

Good point well made.

[Platypus]

You can say the same about Cameron. He should focus on reducing the state and taxation.

I agree.

[escapeUK]

I see what you're saying. Quite true.

But I suppose I can't help but feel it's not an issue at all for most people, Christians or otherwise, and that the church seems to spend a disproportionate amount of time agonising over it. That how it appears to me.

You can say the same about Cameron. He should focus on reducing the state and taxation.

[d000hg]

For most people, slavery isn't/wasn't an issue either, doesn't mean it's not relevant. These things filter down from the top so the top needs to know what it believes

[Platypus]

Because it's a massive issue if homosexuality is right or wrong since which side they stand on potentially puts them directly at odds with both the law and the current secular position.

I see what you're saying. Quite true.

But I suppose I can't help but feel it's not an issue at all for most people, Christians or otherwise, and that the church seems to spend a disproportionate amount of time agonising over it. That how it appears to me.

[Platypus]

That's funny!

EDIT, I mean the video, not your reply d00hg.

[d000hg]

Why is the CofE so utterly obsessed with gay this and gay that?

Because it's a massive issue if homosexuality is right or wrong since which side they stand on potentially puts them directly at odds with both the law and the current secular position.

[Robinho]

Why is the CofE so utterly obsessed with gay this and gay that?

FFS no wonder fewer people are attending church and see it as irrelevant.

Maybe they should spend more time spreading God's word instead of spreading their semen in each other.