Reply to: Moving from the front line.

[doodab]

You're too stupid to be a manager

That isn't actually possible.

[d000hg]

You're too stupid to be a manager.

Since when has stupidity precluded working in management?

[al_cam]

While everyone thinks they could manage a project, in fact, most of them can't.

I naturally moved into it from being technical (an engineer). I find that I just naturally take the lead everywhere, not just at work. If you are like that too then maybe there is a possibility but I don't really believe you can learn to be a leader.

More importantly though, I wouldn't recommend it. I would love to go back to being a techie. As PM, you are on the front line more than anyone else. It is miles harder than being a techie and at the moment, rates are piss poor and only getting worse. I could earn more being a programmer with no stress or hassles. I'm currently working on plan B as I think the arse is out of PM'ing and it isn't coming back any time soon.

Best of luck whatever you do.

[LatteLiberal]

Oi Russell, you'll never make it. It's because you're a cretin. Geddit?

Thought I was supposed to be Gentile? Now it's Russell, seems like you are unsure of your own mind and can't make a decision. You WILL make it as a manager.

[sasguru]

As I previously said, I had never been interested in management until now. anyway seems like it requires one to be a brown noser with little integrity, I assume you made it no problem.

Oi Russell, you'll never make it. It's because you're a cretin. Geddit?

[Gibbon]

As I previously said, I had never been interested in management until now. anyway seems like it requires one to be a brown noser with little integrity, I assume you made it no problem.

Don't need to brown nose, just competent. stultissimus.

[LatteLiberal]

Excuses. Over the the years your bosses must have taken holiday, been sick, been seconded etc etc. That's how I got in, made myself useful. In fact I've been to lots of places where subbies have leadership positions, but from the look of your replies you're a 'giver upper' and it probably has been noticeable, hence never been asked. Bit like going to a disco and waiting for a girl to pull you.

As I previously said, I had never been interested in management until now. anyway seems like it requires one to be a brown noser with little integrity, I assume you made it no problem.

[Gibbon]

All the projects I have worked on have had a project manager already assigned, there was never any opportunity to manage unless I started some Machiavellian plan to get them fired simultaneously acquiring the role all within a 3-12 month contract.

NEXT.

Excuses. Over the the years your bosses must have taken holiday, been sick, been seconded etc etc. That's how I got in, made myself useful. In fact I've been to lots of places where subbies have leadership positions, but from the look of your replies you're a 'giver upper' and it probably has been noticeable, hence never been asked. Bit like going to a disco and waiting for a girl to pull you.

[GreenLabel]

You are Russell and I claim my £5.

Sorry, but the £5 is mine.

[NotAllThere]

You're too stupid to be a manager...

No-one is too stupid to be a manager. Even I've been a manager in charge of million CHF projects...

[RasputinDude]

No, because I have never, until now, considered management. I thought all of this would have been self evident given my question?

You asked 'how'. You have been given pointers on what to change to move into management. When you can answer 'yes' to *some* of my questions, then you can start looking for a move.

Anyway it look almost impossible to make this leap whilst contracting, so I will have to put it on hold or rethink my plans.

Not impossible, but harder yes.

[SupremeSpod]

Lie on your CV then sink or swim.

Works every time for SY01. Apart from the fact he's a lousy swimmer and spends a lot of time being cast from the lifeboat.

[LatteLiberal]

Have you demonstrated any leadership in the dev team at all?

That's the starting point - lead your team in some way. Don't wait for power and authority to be bestowed on you from on high, because it's not.

Find some way to implement the team's performance and take the lead in its' implementation.

Read this : Getting Things Done When You're Only a Grunt - Joel on Software

No, because I have never, until now, considered management. I thought all of this would have been self evident given my question?

Anyway it look almost impossible to make this leap whilst contracting, so I will have to put it on hold or rethink my plans.

[RasputinDude]

Have you demonstrated any leadership in the dev team at all?

That's the starting point - lead your team in some way. Don't wait for power and authority to be bestowed on you from on high, because it's not.

Find some way to implement the team's performance and take the lead in its' implementation.

Read this : http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articl...000000332.html

[sasguru]

You seem to insult anyone and everyone on this board. Now, what is more likely everyone on this board is a cretin/moron/idiot or you have such low self-esteem that you project an air of superiority and belittle others who clearly threaten your somewhat limited intellect? Given the amount of insults you deal out on a daily basis your IQ must be threatened by most of the populace.

I don't insult everyone on this board, only the cretins, of which you are one.
HTH, BIKIW.