Reply to: Tata says ByeBye to another few hundred

[The Spartan]

The whole point in them opening in China was due to the massive costs associated with importing those specific models into the country. I can't imagine for one minute it would be cheap to import a car from China to the UK, as they'd slap a load of duty and VAT on it they're not stupid enough to miss a golden opportunity like that.

[Mich the Tester]

It really is scandalous what Tata are doing to UK industry. Steel mills being closed and Jaguar production being shifted to China.

Hmmm, we'll see how that works. Maybe the lower range models will be shifted, but shifting production of the high end stuff might not work. Apparently in China Zegna shirts are in demand among the wealthier people because they're still made in Italy; it seems high end consumers get emotionally attached to the idea of something being 'genuine' and connected to what they see as its origins. Logically, lots of Chinese Jaguar customers might then decide they only want Jaguars built in Britain. Or worse, they might just stop buying them altogether and buy something German or Italian.

[vetran]

I hope that is still the case in 10 years.. And not that they set up production there, run parallel for a few years, then stop production in UK and ship in cheaper produced cars from China.....

that is my expectation.

[scope]

They are not shifting car jobs to China there are more jobs here and more jobs there.

I hope that is still the case in 10 years.. And not that they set up production there, run parallel for a few years, then stop production in UK and ship in cheaper produced cars from China.....

[SupremeSpod]

Not really. I dont think Tatas are that clever. Error in judgement is more likely to be the case. From what I recall, the annual income of Corus Steel was much higher than Tata Steel but they still went ahead with the purchase so they could compete with Arcelor Mittal.

So, you knew the answer all along.

Even if it is incorrect. So you think Tata aren't that clever? You just underestimated the opposition.

[sasguru]

Not really. I dont think Tatas are that clever..

No they must be really stupid compared with a global magnate millionaire like yourself.

[hyperD]

So why have they bought these in the first place? I suspect that the regeneration and investments were the part of the deal.

I'm sure Carbon Credits has something to do with it.

[fullyautomatix]

Remove the competition and snaffle their IP.

Simples.

Not really. I dont think Tatas are that clever. Error in judgement is more likely to be the case. From what I recall, the annual income of Corus Steel was much higher than Tata Steel but they still went ahead with the purchase so they could compete with Arcelor Mittal.

[mos]

30 years of underinvest comes home to roost.

So why have they bought these in the first place? I suspect that the regeneration and investments were the part of the deal.

[SupremeSpod]

Jaguar is profitable. Not sure about the Steel mills being profitable but if they were not profitable then why buy them ?

Remove the competition and snaffle their IP.

Simples.

[eek]

Improvement and automation of the production process is all good, why on earth do you have to shift jobs to China to achieve it?

They are not shifting car jobs to China there are more jobs here and more jobs there.

The article is about Tata closing down another unprofitable part of Corus / British steel or 30 years of underinvest comes home to roost.

[DodgyAgent]

I will not buy anything owned by Tata in principle .

So tell us who you would buy a car from then?

[cailin maith]

Janey Mac, Tata own every fecking thing. Did you know, they own Tetley tea bags? Seriously, isn't that just bonkers?

[fullyautomatix]

Hardly scandalous, is it? Do you suggest they keep unprofitable plants open?

Jaguar is profitable. Not sure about the Steel mills being profitable but if they were not profitable then why buy them ?

[mos]

Given that we write or test or project manager computer software to automate tasks and remove the need for manual intervention in processes we are hardly in a position to complain when other people do the same.

The simple fact is that would is becoming more and more automated and less and less manual labour is required.

Improvement and automation of the production process is all good, why on earth do you have to shift jobs to China to achieve it?