Reply to: Jeez - this is scarey. employment situation

[Ignis Fatuus]

The missus has been tasked with hiring a dozen carers, at £7.40 an hour to work shifts to provide basic care

she came home with a suitcase full of application forms, and 80% of them have degrees

Happened to come across this today:

only 8% of UK childcare staff are graduates: in the Nordic countries it's over 60%.

[eek]

Map UK GDP with youth unemployment. The economy continued to bubble up until late 2007 yet youth unemployment rose.

There's no need to look at other countries, they probably introduced their own destructive regulations.

Nor am i moving the goal posts i am just going back to the core fact that the more expensive something is the less it's consumed.

Are you disputing this fact?

Hardly surprising as willing East Europeans arrived happy to work for peanuts arrived as a substitute for English youth who thought they were worth more.

[doodab]

3 quid an hour was being paid up to the late 90s by fast food places.

And a wide array of menial work such as screwing together stuff on assembly lines, loading and unloading machines making plastic mouldings and bent bits of metal, filing and so on.

[SueEllen]

All my trainees are now apprentices

I hope you have your NVQ courses (or whatever they are suppose to study now) set up most local colleges are obliging apparently.

[Robinho]

All my trainees are now apprentices

What's your cut?

[DodgyAgent]

National Minimum Wage - linky

Apprentices earn £2.65 so if you are a company with an apprentice scheme you can afford to pay their wages.

What you probably can't afford is insurance i.e. car/van insurance if the job involves the young person having to drive.

All my trainees are now apprentices

[SueEllen]

3 quid an hour was being paid up to the late 90s by fast food places.

National Minimum Wage - linky

Apprentices earn £2.65 so if you are a company with an apprentice scheme you can afford to pay their wages.

What you probably can't afford is insurance i.e. car/van insurance if the job involves the young person having to drive.

[DodgyAgent]

Barchester Healthcare 'dismayed' by lack of youths wanting care jobs - Telegraph

read the comments.

I picked one quote which says a lot about the competence of the public sector. It seems that the public sector cannot be trusted to perform services that should never be based "on profit" and then handed over to the so called wolves of the private sector:

I ran a domiciliary care agency for three years and sold it about three years ago when the writing was on the wall. Young people are not stupid and know that working for a service that is grossly mistreated by the government is a foolish choice.

Until the government bites the bullet and saves vast sums by removing people from hospitals and closing down wards to use the money for domiciliary and care homes, this nonsense will continue.

The cost of elderly people in NHS facilities is vastly more than if they were at home receiving visiting carers. The cost of care home provision is significantly lower.

The government is terrified of any talk of closing down NHS wards, despite the fact that they cost two to five times the money in contrast to care homes and domiciliary care services were used instead.

Instead domiciliary care, in particluar, is starved of funds and, in highly rural areas, it is impossible to give a good reliable service because the rates per hour have been cut (Herefordshire and Shropshire area) and not raised.

We sold because it was impossible to give a decent care service at these impossibly low rates. So the carers are paid the very lowest sums possible and training and other fundamentals has become largely windowdressing with such things as internet learning replacing class room learning.

Carers are paid little more than basic wage and are often working on Zero hours contracts. These are pernicious but are an economic necessity to run any domiciliary care service.

Due to poor management caused by the need to cut costs to a bone, it is quite common for calls to be missed. This often means elderly people end up sleeping in beds soaked with foul smelling urine and excrement and, on top, suffering from lack of medication. Then the new keen young carer arrives to this utter chaos and faces the anger of relatives and the victims.

Astonishing is the CQC assessment of the quality of service in that missed calls are considered as only one factor of many quality aspects with no extra weighting. Thus a missed call, when someone is left without any service at all, is rated the same as when a call is made and the medication record is not filled in properly. The whole care sector is suffering from abusive lack of care from the government caused by calculated and callous political attitudes and not on common sense and respect for the desperately vulnerable or those that care for them.

Can you wonder people think twice? Similar things happen in care homes.

There is a callous and gross dishonesty from the government about all this based on a funk to sort out the best and most economical way of providing care. The cruel truth is that parts of the NHS need closing down and the staff and money saved redirected to carehome and domiciliary care services with an emphasis on the latter.

Given the political weakness of this government I doubt this will happen. People are not stupid, they know what is going on and know that working for a vital service deliberately starved of funds due to the callous weakness of politicians is an occupation best avoided.

[DodgyAgent]

Barchester Healthcare 'dismayed' by lack of youths wanting care jobs - Telegraph

read the comments.

Fair comments.

however the principle of what I say still stands even if this is not an appropriate example

[vetran]

Young don’t want to work, says company with 500 jobs | The Times

Barchester Healthcare 'dismayed' by lack of youths wanting care jobs - Telegraph

read the comments.

[Robinho]

Have you even looked at this graph anyway? The UK was one of only 2 countries that had an upward trend in youth unemployment in the buildup to the burst.

3 had a downward trend. Some were static or had a spike in the mid 2000s. Of course we don't know what was going on in these countries hence my accusation that you are blurring the figures.

[Robinho]

I just did and it went over your head

So you think that if everyone on this forum went to HR now and said double my rate or i'll quite the "employment" rate of the forum would not change?

[ZARDOZ]

No you can't.

I just did and it went over your head

[Robinho]

Although I can

No you can't.

[Robinho]

Young don’t want to work, says company with 500 jobs | The Times

Not helped by the socialist institutions that are responsible for the appalling education system in this country.
Not helped by the liberal privileged lefties who refuse to hear of any criticism of public services (which they themselves do not use) and refuse to hold the disgraceful education system to account.

Well, if they don't want to work, they don't have to - that's their call. Provided we deny them benefits i don't care.