Reply to: We are saved. New trend in I.T.

[Sausage Surprise]

Randy Mott.....

[Old Hack]

My very frustrating experience (and that of other locals I know) is that it's not poor £ or lack of people that is the problem, but the recruitment process. You would think they are actually trying to make it go tits up.

I didn't go through that, by the looks of it luckily, as I was already known to management and central to the project as it was being built, my area of it. As soon as it was handed over, I was approached. What confused me, is that the senior manager knew what rate I was on with the company who did the development. Still, I did manage some prvate work on the deployment side of it, as they didn't have anyone there with the right skills. Nice earner for that, but the long term project not so.

[Lockhouse]

A few years ago, maybe. But not now.

My work is all in IBs, and they are paranoid about letting anything escape the building in the large-scale front-office Architecture/Design side of things I work on. And Development work is sent to India, Singapore, etc. these days, with very low rates, so hardly worth pitching against.

I'm simply resigned to clinging on for a couple more years and then calling it quits. The I.T. contracting industry lost its charms for me many years ago. Sadly, I'm only in it for the money these days - and there seems to be less and less of that around!

I''m in exactly the same boat. Client facing IB data guy trying to hang on in a dimishing market for 2-3 years until I quit.

[al_cam]

Made me laugh too. I worked on a project which when finished, went up to Dundee and Stirling for maintenance. Atlas had that one too. I was offered a long term project looking after my side of it, for naff all, and I'd have to move to Scotland, for which there's not enough money in the world. Slowly, but surely, the rates are going up as well,a s they cannot attract anyone.

My very frustrating experience (and that of other locals I know) is that it's not poor £ or lack of people that is the problem, but the recruitment process. You would think they are actually trying to make it go tits up.

[mrdonuts]

all IT workers in Britain should print off this article and shove it under the door/nose of the CIO/CFO/CEO at their place of work. Also photocopy it and post a few copies to the canteen/kitchen noticeboard, lets get the word out

[d000hg]

Which one City Secret or Scot Logic?

Prefer not to say publicly, although I didn't know either of them were well-known?

[Old Hack]

The atlas consortium tried that with one of the major defence contracts. I keep getting peeps call me and offer me the chance to work in Scotland for nay cash. I think the message has started to get to HP that there are no IT bods in livingston which is a bit of a shame

Made me laugh too. I worked on a project which when finished, went up to Dundee and Stirling for maintenance. Atlas had that one too. I was offered a long term project looking after my side of it, for naff all, and I'd have to move to Scotland, for which there's not enough money in the world. Slowly, but surely, the rates are going up as well,a s they cannot attract anyone.

[escapeUK]

All it took was a global economic crisis and three rounds of quantitative easing to run IT skilled americans into debt, bankruptcy and dependence on food coupons and all of their jobs came flooding back... well done those bankers and politicians

You think they realised if you dont support the local economy then the locals cant buy your product? Lets hope. I always thought off-shoring was a self destructive practise, but if this trend of bringing it back home continues it will ultimately destroy the countries that made a living off it.

[CheeseSlice]

GM 'insources,' set to hire 10,000 IT pros

All it took was a global economic crisis and three rounds of quantitative easing to run IT skilled americans into debt, bankruptcy and dependence on food coupons and all of their jobs came flooding back... well done those bankers and politicians

[nomadd]

Well the company I know who did it got work from the big London banks, BUT he used to work in that world and then set up his company probably with all the connections.

If you put a team together and then go looking for clients rather than wait fro them to look for you, then maybe?

A few years ago, maybe. But not now.

My work is all in IBs, and they are paranoid about letting anything escape the building in the large-scale front-office Architecture/Design side of things I work on. And Development work is sent to India, Singapore, etc. these days, with very low rates, so hardly worth pitching against.

I'm simply resigned to clinging on for a couple more years and then calling it quits. The I.T. contracting industry lost its charms for me many years ago. Sadly, I'm only in it for the money these days - and there seems to be less and less of that around!

[eek]

Well the company I know who did it got work from the big London banks, BUT he used to work in that world and then set up his company probably with all the connections.

If you put a team together and then go looking for clients rather than wait fro them to look for you, then maybe?

Which one City Secret or Scot Logic?

[d000hg]

Well the company I know who did it got work from the big London banks, BUT he used to work in that world and then set up his company probably with all the connections.

If you put a team together and then go looking for clients rather than wait fro them to look for you, then maybe?

[nomadd]

The atlas consortium tried that with one of the major defence contracts. I keep getting peeps call me and offer me the chance to work in Scotland for nay cash. I think the message has started to get to HP that there are no IT bods in livingston which is a bit of a shame

This is the crux of it.

I'm from the NW, and would gladly move back there like a shot. Problem is, too little work and too low a rate of pay to make it worthwhile. I've asked clients for years why they don't move North and out of London, but they claim they'd just never be able to find the staff. Not sure how true that is, but it's a mindset you just can't shake them from.

[bobspud]

'Nearshoring' has been around as a term for a while, e.g. outsourcing your dev work from London to The North where salaries and rent are much lower.

The atlas consortium tried that with one of the major defence contracts. I keep getting peeps call me and offer me the chance to work in Scotland for nay cash. I think the message has started to get to HP that there are no IT bods in livingston which is a bit of a shame

[d000hg]

'Nearshoring' has been around as a term for a while, e.g. outsourcing your dev work from London to The North where salaries and rent are much lower.