Reply to: when will the government act

[mrdonuts]

How about this chap?
BBC News - Fijian-born soldier Isimeli Baleiwai fights to stay in UK

people who have served the country like this man should unquestionably be allowed to stay

its the people who are just here to leech off the country without offering anything in return that shouldnt be allowed, and i'm pretty sure thats a stance taken by many "successful" countries

[Spacecadet]

How about this chap?
BBC News - Fijian-born soldier Isimeli Baleiwai fights to stay in UK

A Fijian man who served in the British Army for 13 years is fighting to stay in the UK after being told he must leave the country by 9 August.

Isimeli Baleiwai served in Afghanistan and Iraq, before leaving the Army in June. He is married to a UK national.

But disciplinary action for a 2010 fight with a colleague means he is considered to have a criminal record.

[IR35FanClub]

Silly bint -you'd think she'd want him out of the country pronto in case he did it to another woman. You sure it was rape?

A jury would have to decide that, but in my definition, being held by the throat against a wall, and told to keep quiet or he'd make her stay in the UK very unpleasant as he knew lots of bad people, yes. She didn't want to press charges as he was over here supporting his family back home. If he got deported then they would be destitute.

Whilst what I did wasn't particularly upstanding or a good way to behave - it made him realise that sometime people do feel a moral obligation to protect other people, despite the risk to their personal safety/professional reputation - and he rang her very worried that I was going to still be after him. Hopefully next time he's in a situation where he thinks he has the upper hand over a woman, he'll be thinking of what happened before and decide to walk away.

I wouldn't do it again though. Just a severe talking to!

[Troll]

and got away with as she wouldn't press charges in case he got deported!

Silly bint -you'd think she'd want him out of the country pronto in case he did it to another woman. You sure it was rape?

[IR35FanClub]

deportations too good for them. cant we relieve them of their bollocks first ?

and the home grown ones ? bollocks off, then a thirty five pound electronic tag for the rest of eternity.

I'd tell you what I did to a guy who raped a friend of a friend once - and got away with as she wouldn't press charges in case he got deported. But I'd be incriminating myself. I do feel guilty sometimes - but then I remember the emotional scars he's left her. And no I'm not a racist, my OH is African!

[d000hg]

One shouldn't start raping and murdering in a new host country, it shows lack of gratitude. I wonder how many Britishers go ape straight after getting off the plane after emigrating.

Not sure if that was sarcasm! Ex-pats hardly have a great reputation around the world

[Spacecadet]

The ones that are living in the smaller towns are the ones that have made it. They are not the drug dealers.

Or maybe drug dealers know that the market for what they sell isn't quite as big or lucrative in the smaller towns

[aussielong]

It´s even more complex than that; I've heard from policemen that in the midlands the crime problem among Afro-Caribbeans is primarily an urban issue; outside of the major cities like Birmingham and Coventry they actually see less crime among Afro Caribbeans than others. There are lots of black people living in smaller towns, where they have a lower crime rate than other groups. Same here in NL. I have a feeling that some groups of people are culturally better adapted to small town or rural life and that they're perhaps a bit lost in a city.

The ones that are living in the smaller towns are the ones that have made it. They are not the drug dealers.

[xoggoth]

Indeed. Another example is Bangladeshis in Tower Hamlets, a millstone round our necks for welfare/social housing/acheivement etc, but in Bristol they are very close to average.

May be partly the regions they come from, partly influences like gangs, partly that smaller groups integrate better. Integration is important in breaking down barriers, people we don't know are them/****/etc, people we do know are Fred/Ranjit or whatever. The idea that multiculturalism is a good thing is insane.

[Mich the Tester]

It is not an even picture so just saying "immigrants" says nothing. Some groups like the legal Indians and Chinese are underrepresented. Not seen any stats by region but there appears no major problem in the SE with those from the rest of South Asia either, that's a Midlands problem. Specifically, the main problem groups in the South East are Affro Caribbeans, Eastern Europeans and some Africans. Plus some smaller groups like Tamils, Kurds, Afghans.

It´s even more complex than that; I've heard from policemen that in the midlands the crime problem among Afro-Caribbeans is primarily an urban issue; outside of the major cities like Birmingham and Coventry they actually see less crime among Afro Caribbeans than others. There are lots of black people living in smaller towns, where they have a lower crime rate than other groups. Same here in NL. I have a feeling that some groups of people are culturally better adapted to small town or rural life and that they're perhaps a bit lost in a city.

[Mich the Tester]

Nearly a fifth of all suspected rapists and murderers arrested last year were immigrants

Last year 91 were accused of murder while 406 were charged with rape in England and Wales

174 out of 547 suspected rapists in London in 2011 were foreign as were 40 out of 197 murder suspects
UK Border Agency tells MailOnline they are deporting foreign criminals 'as soon as possible'


Oh FFS. I stopped reading at that point. If they can't manage to get the words found & guilty in amongst all that then whats the point of the article.

So 80% of suspected rapists and murderers aren't immigrants. Perhaps the most sensible use of resources would be to deal with them first?

I'm sure that close to 20% of the population of London are immigrants anyway, so one would assume they would be committing 20% of the serious crimes.

Foreign-born are about 40% in london. If only 20% of serious crimes in london are commited by the foreign born then they are more law-abiding than indigenous inhabitants. Met police stats would suggest that British born Afro-Carbbeans are disproportionately represented among arrests for seious crimes - whether that represents racism or whether british Afro-caribbeans are more criminal, you decide.

Good answers. I agree with this lot.

[minestrone]

There is a couple of tower blocks filled with illegals next to the local red light area, prossies are constantly getting beaten up and raped by people with 'foreign accents'. I would say that about half the rapes reported in the press are done by 'just of a back of a lorry' types. We still win hands down on the murder stats though.

Honestly, I would say the country is done, time to get to the escape pods.

[vetran]

It is not an even picture so just saying "immigrants" says nothing. Some groups like the legal Indians and Chinese are underrepresented. Not seen any stats by region but there appears no major problem in the SE with those from the rest of South Asia either, that's a Midlands problem. Specifically, the main problem groups in the South East are Affro Caribbeans, Eastern Europeans and some Africans. Plus some smaller groups like Tamils, Kurds, Afghans.

If stats show that any group is a problem we should act on those stats and tighten up immigration from those areas. It is ridiculous to point out that our own also commit crimes, we are stuck with them, but we don't have any obligation to take in any but the best from other countries. We don't expect Canada or the US to take in our sink estate kids along with our engineers or whatever. As far as possible, migrants should be far more law abiding than the British.

well said

[xoggoth]

It is not an even picture so just saying "immigrants" says nothing. Some groups like the legal Indians and Chinese are underrepresented. Not seen any stats by region but there appears no major problem in the SE with those from the rest of South Asia either, that's a Midlands problem. Specifically, the main problem groups in the South East are Affro Caribbeans, Eastern Europeans and some Africans. Plus some smaller groups like Tamils, Kurds, Afghans.

If stats show that any group is a problem we should act on those stats and tighten up immigration from those areas. It is ridiculous to point out that our own also commit crimes, we are stuck with them, but we don't have any obligation to take in any but the best from other countries. We don't expect Canada or the US to take in our sink estate kids along with our engineers or whatever. As far as possible, migrants should be far more law abiding than the British.

[TimberWolf]

One shouldn't start raping and murdering in a new host country, it shows lack of gratitude. I wonder how many Britishers go ape straight after getting off the plane after emigrating.