Reply to: Nice outsource O2!

[vetran]

At the start.

But when one leaves do you think that their replacement won't be an import?

I watched that happening at one city finance company. The day to day operations were outsourced to a well known french IT services firm.

The original staff all were all taken on initially, but it didn't take too long before the databases were all operated by their own people in India and the basic lifting and plugging stuff together work was being done by ICT people from India.

yep hold the wages down, make it uncomfortable and backfill with el cheapos.

[Gonzo]

All the staff transferred under TUPE so its the same staff as O2 had.

At the start.

But when one leaves do you think that their replacement won't be an import?

I watched that happening at one city finance company. The day to day operations were outsourced to a well known french IT services firm.

The original staff all were all taken on initially, but it didn't take too long before the databases were all operated by their own people in India and the basic lifting and plugging stuff together work was being done by ICT people from India.

[Scoobos]

Boom Boom!

[Doggy Styles]

We never had these problems with System X.

Or did we?

[AtW]

All the staff transferred under TUPE so its the same staff as O2 had.

Yes, that's the first step to being replaced later usually - TUPE is a bit TUliPE when it comes to securing jobs in long term.

[Sockpuppet]

Network down for the second time in less than a month.

O2 outsources core network management to Huawei


Don't know if anyones posted this, but we love to get stuck into really misguided decisions to outsource, don't we?

All the staff transferred under TUPE so its the same staff as O2 had.

[AtW]

name a British manufacturer of back end telecoms kit. No matter who they bought the equipment from, it is inevitable that foreign workers will be drafted in to perform the maintenance

Yes, but the difference is that for a US or Canadian company might be most cost effective to train and have local work force where as a Chinese company would be better off flying their own staff.

[FiveTimes]

It's also our critical infrastructure nowadays - this sort of stuff certainly shouldn't sit in the hands of a Communist Super Power with a track record of hideous crimes against its own population.

<tin foil hat on>

The US refuse to have Huawei in their core ATM network as they have a habit of "snooping" and monitoring.

[FiveTimes]

name a British manufacturer of back end telecoms kit. No matter who they bought the equipment from, it is inevitable that foreign workers will be drafted in to perform the maintenance

I could name you one but it might give away current clientco

[Scoobos]

name a British manufacturer of back end telecoms kit. No matter who they bought the equipment from, it is inevitable that foreign workers will be drafted in to perform the maintenance

Hmm, not the case with the 2 phone companies I've worked for - but then I don't treat the EU as outsourcing, since we're supposed to have freedom of movement etc.

But china or anyone outside the EU, is a step too far.

[Spacecadet]

It also makes it easier for foreign manufactures to get their own workforce into UK to maintain it - kerching all around.

name a British manufacturer of back end telecoms kit. No matter who they bought the equipment from, it is inevitable that foreign workers will be drafted in to perform the maintenance

[Scoobos]

It's also our critical infrastructure nowadays - this sort of stuff certainly shouldn't sit in the hands of a Communist Super Power with a track record of hideous crimes against its own population.

<tin foil hat on>

[eek]

a lot of this stuff is outsourced - given the level of expertise required, it makes better sense for the kit manufacturers to look after the equipment rather than trying to train up perm staff.

Given the stories I've heard about the state of these systems when they arrive "pre-configured" you really want to leave them to it.

[AtW]

a lot of this stuff is outsourced - given the level of expertise required, it makes better sense for the kit manufacturers to look after the equipment rather than trying to train up perm staff.

It also makes it easier for foreign manufactures to get their own workforce into UK to maintain it - kerching all around.

[Spacecadet]

Network down for the second time in less than a month.

O2 outsources core network management to Huawei


Don't know if anyones posted this, but we love to get stuck into really misguided decisions to outsource, don't we?

a lot of this stuff is outsourced - given the level of expertise required, it makes better sense for the kit manufacturers to look after the equipment rather than trying to train up perm staff.