Reply to: Scotland the skint

[Troll]

I've seen that said about the Scandinavian countries too. When winters can be so harsh, you need to pull together as a society.

Thought they all just got bladdered to get through those endless days without sun

[Alf W]

It's different for the Welsh. Scotland is a country in it's own right that signed a Union treaty with England so that can be reversed. Wales is an annexed region of England.

Let's face it, Scottish independence is just bluster and noise. It won't happen.

[vetran]

Tell Salmond to put his vote where his mouth is.

but it has to be a UK wide one, to save costs maybe combine it with a general election?

[Platypus]

We need a referendum in the whole of the UK. (they are asking for a change to the UK not just Scotland so they need to convince us). Scotland can pay for the vote.

If the whole UK gets a vote, the Scots'll be independent in no time.

It's bizarre that Alec Salmond wants to wait "until the time is right" in a couple of years, during which time he hopes to persuade the Scots to vote Yes. But if England were allowed to vote, he could win right now, which would be great for England too, as we'll then get the government we vote for instead of the other lot

[vetran]

FGS - do it sensibly

they want to do it then

We need a referendum in the whole of the UK. (they are asking for a change to the UK not just Scotland so they need to convince us). Scotland can pay for the vote.

Before that the style of devolution including details of who pays for what needs to be agreed and published. I suspect either Scotland or the rest of us will object unless its fair.

Then if they can get a yes vote after that good luck to them.

I'm not happy for us to support them in their independence dream, they can stand on their own two feet. - up & proud under their sporran!

[Platypus]

Strength in unity? Balls to that, I'd rther strength in numbers.

Ever since the Barnett formula was introduced, we've been positively discriminating, and I don't agree with this. Now you have Salmond picking and choosing what he wants to pay for, and want he wants us to pay for, yet have devo max, or rather to have full control over the countries finances, yet not have all of the responsibilities. He's rather obviously taking the piss.

As I said, there is no West Lothian question, they should simply feck off and pay for themselves the scrounging wasters

I agree. However the issue is more complex than that. To quote from the article itself,

everyone else would vote for independence if it brought in roughly enough to buy a new iPad, and against if not.

[Zoiderman]

Strength in unity? Balls to that, I'd rther strength in numbers.

Ever since the Barnett formula was introduced, we've been positively discriminating, and I don't agree with this. Now you have Salmond picking and choosing what he wants to pay for, and want he wants us to pay for, yet have devo max, or rather to have full control over the countries finances, yet not have all of the responsibilities. He's rather obviously taking the piss.

As I said, there is no West Lothian question, they should simply feck off and pay for themselves the scrounging wasters

[d000hg]

The strategic argument is the one that is often overlooked in the discussion.

If you take ten twigs, you can break them one by one, but if you hold them in a bunch they can not be broken. Strength in unity.

Also true for fingers.

[Sysman]

Scotland has a bit more of a social justice lean to the political spectrum, that comes about from it being a bit more tough living out in the sticks where you have to depend on the community, the riots never came north of the border because there is a different mindset.

I've seen that said about the Scandinavian countries too. When winters can be so harsh, you need to pull together as a society.

[Diver]

You're either being deliberately inflammatory or completely missed the point.
No I didn't miss the point. I'm being deliberately inflammatory because I'm sick of paying ~£500+ a week in tax and NI contributions to support the bone idle, mindless or scrounging scum that infest today’s society.
It is unfair when people go ahead and procreate without having made proper provisions.
Agreed
I disagree with others, such as a couple of friends who found themselves in debt badly before conceiving but deliberately conceived anyway.
She should have been forcefully aborted and sterilised, and he castrated for being selfish unthinking idiots and a burden on society.

That is not what happens in modern society Diver. The OH has worked in schools before and a few years back among teenage girls, they were asked 'what they wanted to be when they were older?' and several said "I want to be a mum when I stop school so I can get my own council house."
Compulsory birth control administered by force if necessary

That is the sad state of modern Britain. Many young women feel they stand a good chance of getting their own place and being better off by spurting out kids, a lot of the time to different fathers who are just a donor and wallet. Many people are better off on benefits than they are working. That is wrong. Benefits should only provide so one doesn't die in poverty. They should not provide a better lifestyle than an honest living does. That is the biggest mistake in welfare.
[COLOR="blue"]Social housing should only be provided to those capable of paying for it (except the elderly and disabled). I still think that drug and drink testing for benefit claimants is the way to go. Why should we who work pay for those who don't to have a good time?
Issue food vouchers and travel vouchers not money to those out of work. Except in the case where sufficient contributions have been made to the state through tax & NI. [/COLOR

Also, Spot checks (powers of entry & Stop & search) on claimants and those paying minimal tax to see if they are living within their declared means, if not then confiscate luxury items like jewelry, Cars, electronic games systems, TV’s etc.

[wim121]

This is one of those expressions that really means nothing as each persons definition of fair is different. Some might think its 'fair' that other people work to pay for them while they have an easy life having lots of babies.

The babies should be raised by the state as a cheap workforce for the future maintenance of the country or as future cannon fodder and the women sent to state brothels or used as forced labour

You're either being deliberately inflammatory or completely missed the point.

It is unfair when people go ahead and procreate without having made proper provisions. I'm in my late twenties and I don't have a child, but that is because I want to be able to provide for my future child, instead of receiving state handouts, I want to spend some time with the future mother and do what we want before we have to bear responsibility.

I disagree with others, such as a couple of friends who found themselves in debt badly before conceiving but deliberately conceived anyway.

That is not what happens in modern society Diver. The OH has worked in schools before and a few years back among teenage girls, they were asked 'what they wanted to be when they were older?' and several said "I want to be a mum when I stop school so I can get my own council house."

That is the sad state of modern Britain. Many young women feel they stand a good chance of getting their own place and being better off by spurting out kids, a lot of the time to different fathers who are just a donor and wallet. Many people are better off on benefits than they are working.

That is wrong. Benefits should only provide so one doesn't die in poverty. They should not provide a better lifestyle than an honest living does. That is the biggest mistake in welfare.

[minestrone]

If anyone thinks Aberdeen will be Aberdoon anytime soon then I can say it ain't going to happen, place is awash with Burt Lancaster types in tweed for the black oil and that is going to go on for lang time.

And I doubt Islay will ever be Islay-offs either, the Laphroaig Distillery paid more into HRMC than Apple did last year.

[Diver]

[QUOTE] Originally Posted by escapeUK
This is one of those expressions that really means nothing as each persons definition of fair is different.

Some might think its 'fair' that other people work to pay for them while they have an easy life having lots of babies.
The babies should be raised by the state as a cheap workforce for the future maintenance of the country or as future cannon fodder and the women sent to state brothels or used as forced labour

Others might think its 'fair' that everyone keeps 80% of their earnings and those that dont want to work are given a very basic lifestyle, and im talking barrack style accommodation and basic food.
This is a fair and good idea

I think its fair that everyone gets free prescriptions or no one does.
Don't agree. We in Wales get so called Free Prescriptions because we pay for them through our council taxes

I think its fair that people pay for their own education.
Through Taxes. Those that don't pay enough taxes don't get their kids educated unless they pay for them themselves.

To me unfair is where one set of people get different rules applied to them than another set, and this is exactly the Scotland situation.
Elaborate Please

[Cliphead]

thats from someone who has tricolour jelly as there logo !

That's a plate of jelly and ice cream ya plonker, see anything in it you want.

[minestrone]

thats from someone who has tricolour jelly as there logo !

what i dont understand is (and i am generalising here) why celtic supporters vote labour when i would have thought they would have been keen to see an independent scotland. Surely its obvious that labour want scotland to remain in the uk to just to keep them in the uk race, do they (the labour party) have scotlands best interests at heart , i doubt it

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