Reply to: Open letter to those who think that the word "Paki" is illegal.

[wim121]

The Nazi party was also just a small party, considered fairly harmless, at one point. Admittedly the BNP aren't in the same league, but still worrying nevertheless the fact that many of them have at least in the past and probably still do idolise them.

I find the Nazi idolisation a bit worrying as well, however I feel this might be played up a little by the press to evoke emotional responses. The OH works with a big hairy liberal biker, who collects Nazi memorabilia, fascinated by it, which I find a little odd.

...and yes there are criminals in other political parties, but when they're convicted they resign in disgrace. Nick Griffin's conviction is a badge of honour. Doesn't bode well does it. It is pretty clear that in the event that he were in control, that race hate crimes would be tolerated, as they were in Germany in the 1930's.

I completely agree with you here. A lot of candidates have prior and are forced out of the parties when they are an embarrassment or they commit further offences. Some have a past criminal record kept under wraps.

I agree with your notion, a criminal record isn't a badge of honour and IMHO, public servants paid to represent us, should be squeaky clean, all of them, regardless of party or job they serve.

You spout gibberish about ladyboys, pedophiles and now incest. You use this to defend the BNP, it isn't working

I don't use it to defend the BNP at all, as I have already said, last time I didn't vote for them. Facts are not gibberish either.

You question the integrity of BNP members, so I question the integrity of all party's members.

I find it strange though how you want to scapegoat one party for their crimes, views and dubious lifestyles like the BNP though, yet no others. All I'm asking is why the hate for them in particular?

the argument was poor in the first place, the insults just make you look immature and a bit silly.

There wasn't an argument till you posted. BB and I may have strikingly different views but we discussed it in a controlled manner.

You received insults from me because you started with the insults. So I fail to see how that makes me look foolish?

From other posts of yours, you appear to have no empathy at all for the rest of humanity, and quite a lot of pent up hatred, all at such a young age. It begs the question what was done to you, it must have been pretty bad.

I beg to differ there. My lifestyle has been influenced by empathy and my decisions so far in life I feel, show my empathy and humanity. You may beg to differ, but you don't know me.

However have you ever seen me defend the use of extreme racism like "p**i bashing" or mention gas chambers? No. So I fail to see how you feel I lack empathy or humanity?

Closing your mind to the opinions of others doesn't do you any credit. In this debate you sound like a child in a playground.

Thank you.

I am not sure it isnt working. BNP have some valid points about immigration but the rest of the political world try to bury any of these points by calling them extreme racists. The whole reason for their disproportionate success is because there are legitimate problems with immigration that no one dares to discuss for fear of being branded a as such -BNP is thus elevated to the position of representing the views of such people who otherwise remain unheard.

Exactly. Some people view the BNP's points on immigration as controversial/racist but simply put, they don't wish to close the borders, but stop unskilled migration like a lot of other countries do, which if stated in a reasonable manner, doesn't appear to be unreasonable.

Other ministers in other parties echo some sentiments years on. Did anyone catch that programme last night on BBC2 about human rights? One MP stated how he thinks that the EU human rights declaration isn't required. Such a sentiment sounds awfully familiar as similar thing have been said by the right wing parties in years past stating how the EU shouldn't be controlling our courts. However his view is accepted as a considered opinion because it hasn't been stated by an extreme party.

If the BNP are going to have their members criminal records held up as evidence of their racism or to undermine the credibility of their arguments then it is only fair that the criminal records of other MPs be also held up.

Exactly. Saying such a thing doesn't make us BNP supporters, if anything it makes us lefties (gasp!) as all we are saying is let's have more equality.

Yes, quite Doggy.

Couldn't agree more.

Don't really like the BNP but Wim certainly highlighted some examples of double standards and hypocracy in the left's smears on the party when recently one of their own was convicted of thuggery in the House of Commons no less.

Indeed. Having a punch up in a bar, how disgraceful for an elected individual. I'm sure Labour won't be hurt by this though and I doubt anyone will remember or even care next election.

My conclusion is DoggyStyles is Wim, Pacharan and possibly Gricer.

Hahahaha I dont think so.

If you look at our join dates and posts and previous threads, it isn't possible at all. I recall one thread a while back where pach and I were posting at the same time, how would I manage that unless this is my desk (which it isnt, I'm writing this on my laptop):

fair enough. If BNP wished to be a credible party then people like him should not be be official representatives

I would agree with that. Such a controversial party as the BNP needs a squeaky clean individual, aware of spin and bias and great and manipulating people like Blair was.

People have already called for Nick G to stand down and he said he will in 2013. Let's hope he doesn't pull a Gordon Brown!

(or at least until Churchill is unbanned)

Banned again? What for now?

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up.

& is that the last word on this subject? (or at least until Churchill is unbanned)

[BlasterBates]

I am afraid that in defining their policy according to skin colour as shown in their ad sets them up a s a party of prejudice

I agree with you, they use this imagery to garner support using racial prejudice, as many political right wing parties do, and I would agree that's wrong and offensive but it's still miles apart from the BNP.

If there was a party like the SVP in the UK then I would not disagree with someone who suggested they made some good points.

The BNP are just too full of thugs and extreme rightwing idealogues to be taken seriously.

If someone wants to support a radical viewpoint they can support the UKIP, which in my view is a democratic party and certainly more acceptable, in my view, than the SVP. Though I don't have a big problem with the SVP because I know they're not going to march down the street with jackboots on and beat people up.

[DodgyAgent]

You cannot compare the SVP with the BNP. The SVP is like the UKIP, it does not have anything about ethnicity in it's manifesto. It doesn't believe in repealing race relations, or repatriating "darkies".

Yes their poster is controversial but when you read their manifesto and and then read the BNP's. They're worlds apart.

The BNP is more like the German NPD. Thugs in a political party.

I am afraid that in defining their policy according to skin colour as shown in their ad sets them up a s a party of prejudice

[BlasterBates]

You cannot compare the SVP with the BNP. The SVP is like the UKIP, it does not have anything about ethnicity in it's manifesto. It doesn't believe in repealing race relations, or repatriating "darkies".

Yes their poster is controversial but when you read their manifesto and and then read the BNP's. They're worlds apart.

The BNP is more like the German NPD. Thugs in a political party.

[DodgyAgent]

To be fair he may have been helping them out after all the Orthodox Jews all have beards.

[Old Greg]

fair enough. If BNP wished to be a credible party then people like him should not be be official representatives

Probably not.

[DodgyAgent]

icLiverpool - BNP man sent razor blades to city Jews

fair enough. If BNP wished to be a credible party then people like him should not be be official representatives

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icLiverpool - BNP man sent razor blades to city Jews

Owens, 41, a well-known figure in the Liverpool security scene, served eight months in jail for sending razor blades in the post to members of the city's Jewish community in 1982.

He was also convicted and jailed in 1994 for carrying CS gas and knuckle dusters when he worked as a clubland bouncer.

And in 1998 he was charged with the contract murder of 33-year-old nightclub security boss George Bromley - but the charge was dropped due to lack of evidence before the case went to trial.


But he said: "This was nothing to do with politics."

[Old Greg]

How do we know they were sent by BNP or sent by members. I am pretty sure Ghengis Khan was actually a labour voter.

icLiverpool - BNP man sent razor blades to city Jews

[DodgyAgent]

Is there a link to support that assertion?

How do we know they were sent by BNP or sent by members. I am pretty sure Ghengis Khan was actually a labour voter.

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How would you feel if there was?

Assured that you were a poster of repute who could back up his comments with facts

[Old Greg]

Is there a link to support that assertion?

How would you feel if there was?

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The Swiss don't have those policies. Anyone in living Switzerland can apply and get Swiss citizenship after 12 years, regardless of the colour of their skin.

I think if you were to call someone a black bastard you'd be marched off to the local police station pretty smartly.

[BlasterBates]

How do the Swiss get by?

The Swiss don't have those policies. Anyone in living Switzerland can apply and get Swiss citizenship after 12 years, regardless of the colour of their skin.

I think if you were to call someone a black bastard you'd be marched off to the local police station pretty smartly.