Reply to: A great day for Britain

[d000hg]

I'm sure you can get a cheap pint in a London 'workies' if you try hard enough just as you can spend £6 on a bottle of Italian lager in Manchester hotel bar.

If all low wage workers lived where it was cheap who would polish DA's walnut desk for £6 ph?

The poshest place in Durham, a rather nice champagne/cocktail bar, charges £7 for proper cocktails. That's literally the most expensive price for a drink here. I very much doubt anywhere charges more than £4 a pint, and that would be Cobra in an Indian restaurant... I haven't seen a pub charge more than £3.50 here. £2.50 more the median.

Comparing Manchester city centre with "the north" isn't accurate.

[lilelvis2000]

There are plenty of places in the UK where the cost of living is cheap as chips. As for manufacturing it is up to Cameron to block out the job destroying employment laws that disincentivise people from employing others. Yes the balance of the welfare system needs to be adjusted accordingly.

Really, cheap as chips? Cause round the corner chips cost £1.40. I haven't lived anywhere else the 8 years I've been here. But I'm sure if you took London out of the average salary computations you'd see the average fall to the floor. Average salaries around here are an amazing £16K.

Manufacturing is still reasonably strong, its just that it doesn't require as much labour as it did previously. And so it gives the impression that it is not strong. Take a look at the figures..its actually not doing that bad.

[xoggoth]

Anything which doesn't put money in your pocket, or stops you putting it there, is "socialist"

Hmm. As a rough rule of thumb, not far off probably.

[Sysman]

Why not trust the employee to make their own decision? and who are you to judge that a business should/should not be viable based on an arbitrary figure conjured up by a bunch of self serving socialists?

Yep. If someone just wants a job to get out of the house and meet people, they should be able to agree to a wage lower than a figure dictated by someone else. Ultimately it should be between the employer and employee without government interference.

An interesting comment I heard recently from a youngster who wanted to start at the bottom to learn his trade properly was that a so-called "minimum wage" actually ends up being a "maximum wage" for many.

[gingerjedi]

Pubs certainly are. I suppose more to the difference in rates/rent primarily.

I'm sure you can get a cheap pint in a London 'workies' if you try hard enough just as you can spend £6 on a bottle of Italian lager in Manchester hotel bar.

If all low wage workers lived where it was cheap who would polish DA's walnut desk for £6 ph?

[AtW]

I've never heard you say anything nice about AtW before.

To be fair he does not say anything nice about nobody on here, maybe apart from himself

[AtW]

Still want UK to join the Euro?

Yes, and it might be the best time to fix favourable rate of exchange - get more of euros for your pound so to speak.

[lilelvis2000]

When has he not done that?

When he bends over for the bankers and the Bobs.

[BrilloPad]

I'd love to comment but I am too busy with work stuff today.

HTH

Still want UK to join the Euro?

[d000hg]

I personally know several people who have got rich from scratch and enhanced lives and communities around them in doing so.

I've never heard you say anything nice about AtW before.

Why not trust the employee to make their own decision? and who are you to judge that a business should/should not be viable based on an arbitrary figure conjured up by a bunch of self serving socialists?

You're like a stuck record. Anything which doesn't put money in your pocket, or stops you putting it there, is "socialist". Damn those socialist Americans, pushing their leftie agenda on us

How much is petrol up north then? 2p off £1.30 isn't significant BTW.

As for supermarkets and pubs I can't believe there's much difference when comparing like for like.

Pubs certainly are. I suppose more to the difference in rates/rent primarily.

[AtW]

I work for a startup and a big part of my compensation is equity

When did you change your job?

[Old Greg]

I absolutely and completely believe this. If socialists do care so much about people then they would act according to their consciences. many do and most of these people do so without moaning about the rich. Then at the other end of the spectrum we have the very rich who give much of their money away Gates, Carnegie all the great Philanthropists.
So then how many socialists who spend their lives preaching socialism and berating the rich are there who genuinely care for the poor?
If socialists really cared they would go out and earn a fortune and give it away. One thing is for certain anyone who has made it themselves would not want to let a government redistribute their wealth for them.

My wife has been to Aberdeen for a funeral today. Only one on her side of the family to turn up. her mother and aunt gave her such a hard time.. the former saying she was showing off and the latter who lives in edinburgh saying that the wind was too dangerous and she should'nt travel. Neither was motivated by duty or benevolence but simply did not want to be shown up as not bothering to turn up.

I am a great believer in actions speaking louder than words, and when someone tells me to pay up for the good of others I never believe that they actually care for "the others"

You have mistaken socialism for philanthropism.

Socialism seeks to change the economic system so that ownership of the means of production moves from capiltalists to workers.

Philanthropists seek to give money away to good causes that they deem.

Different things, you see.

I can charitably say that you've made an error of logic as follows:

Philanthropists care about poor people
Socialists are not philanthropists
Therefore socialists do not care about poor people.

I expect you can now see where you've gone wrong.

HTH

[doodab]

I work for a startup and a big part of my compensation is equity

HTH

That's nice. What is your point?

[sasguru]

It takes more than "creativity" to create a business and make it successful. You also need opportunity, talent and hard work. It's no wonder you decided to go permie.

I work for a startup and a big part of my compensation is equity

HTH

[doodab]

You've steadfastly avoided the issue: you're not creating wealth because you don't have the creativity to create a real business.
HTH

It takes more than "creativity" to create a business and make it successful. You also need opportunity, talent and hard work. It's no wonder you decided to go permie.