A great day for Britain

[DodgyAgent]

WHS^

Most people who choose not to work do so because it's not economically viable, I heard somewhere that France subsidises child care so it only costs 12 Euro a day which makes work worthwhile. Meanwhile on planet UK the government freezes working tax credits whilst giving scroungers a pay rise.

As for the veto, I wish David cared as much about creating manufacturing jobs as he does about protecting the banking sector.

There are plenty of places in the UK where the cost of living is cheap as chips. As for manufacturing it is up to Cameron to block out the job destroying employment laws that disincentivise people from employing others. Yes the balance of the welfare system needs to be adjusted accordingly.

[Old Greg]

Ok so whilst I endorse the view that too much power and money belongs in the hands of too few people, the premise of what you say is that there is a piece of cake which remains constant. So to sort out poverty all we need to do is divvy it up equally. Is that what you are saying?

I didn't say that the size of cake remains constant.

Actually, I don't want to divvy the cake up equally (i.e. define an outcome and impose it). I want to see systems in place that will create a trend towards a more equal distribution. My favoured approach would be a move towards cooperative ownership - this would never create total equality, but would lead towards more tolerbale differentials in power and resource distribution.

[gingerjedi]

There are plenty of places in the UK where the cost of living is cheap as chips. As for manufacturing it is up to Cameron to block out the job destroying employment laws that disincentivise people from employing others. Yes the balance of the welfare system needs to be adjusted accordingly.

Is petrol cheaper? Is gas cheaper? Supermarkets? House prices maybe but nothing else.

As for "job destroying employment laws" do you mean the NMW?

[doodab]

I never had you down as a Marxist!

Hes' not. He's a bitter failed capitalist.

I'm neither. Keep guessing.

Ok so whilst I endorse the view that too much power and money belongs in the hands of too few people, the premise of what you say is that there is a piece of cake which remains constant. So to sort out poverty all we need to do is divvy it up equally. Is that what you are saying?

The problem is that as the cake expands those currently tucking into the largest slices get proportionally more and they get first dibs on the cheeseboard as well.

[DodgyAgent]

I didn't say that the size of cake remains constant.

Actually, I don't want to divvy the cake up equally (i.e. define an outcome and impose it). I want to see systems in place that will create a trend towards a more equal distribution. My favoured approach would be a move towards cooperative ownership - this would never create total equality, but would lead towards more tolerbale differentials in power and resource distribution.

That is not what you said

[sasguru]

It wasn't a figure, it was a hypothetical. And I'd be interested to see if it would be OK?

Your question implicitly suggests a fixed cake.
If, let's say, Mr JP Morgan earns 50 million dollars a year, why does that affect me?
The fact he has a big cake doesn't stop me baking my own.

[DodgyAgent]

Is petrol cheaper? Is gas cheaper? Supermarkets? House prices maybe but nothing else.

As for "job destroying employment laws" do you mean the NMW?

Horse and carts are cheap to run, and bartering with sheep and vegetables is regular. Joking aside costs of housing are far more onerous than costs of food and power when compared between the South east and the North. And yes I do include the NMW, WTD, IR35 and every other anti employment law

[Arturo Bassick]

Is petrol cheaper? Is gas cheaper? Supermarkets? House prices maybe but nothing else.

As for "job destroying employment laws" do you mean the NMW?

I think you will find the answer is YES. Maybe not the gas. Where I live petrol, beer, supermarket etc are all significantly cheaper than darn sarf. Last time I was home anyways.

[Mich the Tester]

This talk of cake has reminded me to phone the baker and order some carrot cake for pick up tomorrow morning.

Thanks all! CUK to the rescue again.

[sasguru]

The problem is that as the cake expands those currently tucking into the largest slices get proportionally more and they get first dibs on the cheeseboard as well.

Really? If you create a successful software company, you're saying Bill Gates is going to come along and demand his share whether you like it or not?
You really are a walking trendy cliche/media snippet spouting machine.
I personally know several people who have got rich from scratch and enhanced lives and communities around them in doing so.