Reply to: I used to love SAP

[xoggoth]

The Oracle of Delphi was an expert in SAP apparently.

[2BIT]

Getting data out of SAP into other systems has always been tricky. You are supposed to be a loyal SAP customer and only use SAP products. They talk to each other quite well.

My currently client feeds non-SAP dbs via a mixture of csv flat files - but without having problems of them being malformed - and via SAP XI/PI middleware thing.

sounds like its more a problem that exists between the keyboard and the chair...

[milanbenes]

yes a lot of the self service stuff has moved back onto the backends

but BPM will keep wdp4j alive with ce soa apps for mdm and pi

anyway, I don't care what they're programming in, I'm basis with focus on the non-a systems

the systems the old basis dinosaurs are scared to touch - just the way I likes it

Milan.

[NotAllThere]

oi

stay away from all the Java based components, they're mine...

WD4J is dead. WD4A is the only way.

[doodab]

that's the beauty of .Net, you're rearranging the alphabet every day

Milan.

FTFY

[milanbenes]

done some interesting stuff this week

got bpm transports in the ce landscape via nwdi to work with charm and cts+ close coupling attaching the assembly to an stms transport request

and it works

today deploying jars from an upgraded mq into pi using the jspm and specially modified sda as the container

that's the beauty of .Net, you're learning every day

Milan.

[cojak]

If you force a user to fill something in, he will fill something in.
If you force someone to spend a lot of time on something he doesn't have time for, he will find a way of spending less time on it.
If you force someone to do something complicated and boring, he will find a way of making it easy and fun.


You have very little control over what 'something' is.

Human nature.

Sadly many design and Process bods rule out this along with common sense when building appilcations and processes.

[milanbenes]

oi

stay away from all the Java based components, they're mine


you lot stick to anything involving the gui and leave the rest for me

so that means anything running on J and also MDM

if it involves the gui I'm not interested

Milan.

[NotAllThere]

Getting data out of SAP into other systems has always been tricky. You are supposed to be a loyal SAP customer and only use SAP products. They talk to each other quite well.

My currently client feeds non-SAP dbs via a mixture of csv flat files - but without having problems of them being malformed - and via SAP XI/PI middleware thing.

[2BIT]

Because it's so tulip it delivers bucketloads of money for testers and other assorted contractors.

Now I ******* hate it because i have to use it to fill in my hours and make my timesheet and the bloody thing doesn't work, you have to fill in your hours, some secretary who's invariably off sick has to then accept them, before sending them to a random PM to accept and only then I can print the bloody sheet and get it signed by my own PM. And all the while SAP fails to recognize the dates I've filled in using the little calendar provided in the app, bla bla bla what a load of overpriced overrated overblown bollox.

I read your post a while back about loving it cos it keeps you in work and meant to ask why it seems so hard for business users to get data from. Last three projects have delivered data from SAP in csv....there was no way we could use ODBC to pump the data straight into a DB and had to tackled malformed csv files on a monthly basis. In fact current project has such a SAP skill shortage at the client end they cant even produce single data files, we get a smorgasbord of files that need to be consolidated. So question is is SAP just a hard to use application or are the average users non-technical in your experience - the SAP outputs always seem to be the weak part of the chain...

[Sysman]

The German IT folks don't agree.

The could not even get my name on the office door correct. It read's 'Scot Scooter' and of course the error has filtered to every electronically registered file in the universe, including SAP.

I've got a bunch of course certificates like that.

Except they managed to work my middle name into the equation.

Log on using firstname.lastname they said.

So please tell me. What do you have for my firstname.lastname?

Just use firstname.lastname.

Got my login name right by standing over the guy while he did it.

Eventually.

Course certificate still came out wrong.

[Sysman]

Are you actually saying that the implementation of SAP led to a take over ???

I wondered if going the SAP route was a means of telling the world that they'd got to a certain size, so yes.

[scooterscot]

So really, your beef with SAP is a bad implementation of a very small part of it, by an autocratic, user-hostile IT department. I can only marvel at their achievement.

IT departments are bad enough, the german IT bot takes it to a whole new level. "Ja but we do not have insurance to move that computer screen to the desk next to you."

[NotAllThere]

So really, your beef with SAP is a bad implementation of a very small part of it, by an autocratic, user-hostile IT department. I can only marvel at their achievement.

[scooterscot]

SAP HR paid for a Mercedes and two exotic holidays. Long live tulip software!

I pray SAP will become the BEBO of the business world.