Reply to: James Bulger’s mother: Unmask my son's killers

[dspsyssts]

What is the point of jail in this society though?

Is it just:
1. Punishment, or
2. Punishment and rehabilitation.

If it's 2 then saying two ten year olds cannot be rehabilitated means that we should give up on adults who go to prison regardless of their crime.

It also doesn't explain why some of the money in the criminal justice system is spent on things like keeping kids out of prison in the first place, education for prisoners and the probation service.

Other EU countries have children doing terrible things as well however I know in Scandinavian countries their criminal justice system particularly for children is based on rehabilitation.

I went to prison once, had a nice time playing in the prison cricket team, there was quite an active league in the area and we would play away on Sundays and had some lovely teas, the other sides always made us feel welcome. Very good sports facilities there too.

On the subject of JB's Mother, my feelings do go out to her and any other parents who has lost a child to a murderer but possibly for their own health they should try to find understanding and forgiveness in thier heart.

The two killers had a horrible upbringing.

Funny how you need a licence to drive a car but anyone can bring up the next generation.

[SueEllen]

Pretty sure the press made that association up.

On the main point, IMHO they should still be in jail given the nature of the crime and thereby naming them becomes a moot point, although the judge did allow them to be named at the time.

What is the point of jail in this society though?

Is it just:
1. Punishment, or
2. Punishment and rehabilitation.

If it's 2 then saying two ten year olds cannot be rehabilitated means that we should give up on adults who go to prison regardless of their crime.

It also doesn't explain why some of the money in the criminal justice system is spent on things like keeping kids out of prison in the first place, education for prisoners and the probation service.

Other EU countries have children doing terrible things as well however I know in Scandinavian countries their criminal justice system particularly for children is based on rehabilitation.

[Bagpuss]

Apparently one or both of them often watched a horror film called Chucky, about a malevolent animated doll or something, and the crime was largely playing out one of this character's nasty tricks.

Pretty sure the press made that association up.

On the main point, IMHO they should still be in jail given the nature of the crime and thereby naming them becomes a moot point, although the judge did allow them to be named at the time.

[d000hg]

In a healthy society no one would hurt a toddler, but it is NOT fine to leave them alone. A two year old is quite capable of hurting himself. No matter how hard it is, it's your responsibility to supervise the child.

Didn't realise it was in a public place, that's a bit different. I was thinking about the namby-pamby "can't leave poor sweetums for 2s to go to the loo" attitude.

[MaryPoppins]

Seen the 'I have kids' line many times on this subject

'I have kids' 'throw away the key'

Eh? Who said that? What you going on about?

[mudskipper]

Seen the 'I have kids' line many times on this subject.

Are people without children not eligible to make decision on the subject? If my neighbour gets his car broken into and I do not drive but my other neighbour does do I have less say in the matter of the outcome when the perp gets caught?

'I have kids' 'throw away the key'

Actually, in this thread the opposite seems to be true. Those with kids possibly seeing 10 year olds for what they are - kids.

[EternalOptimist]

Seen the 'I have kids' line many times on this subject.

Are people without children not eligible to make decision on the subject? If my neighbour gets his car broken into and I do not drive but my other neighbour does do I have less say in the matter of the outcome when the perp gets caught?

'I have kids' 'throw away the key'

Its ridiculous isnt it ?

almost as bad as saying people without a degree dont know what they are talking about

[minestrone]

Seen the 'I have kids' line many times on this subject.

Are people without children not eligible to make decision on the subject? If my neighbour gets his car broken into and I do not drive but my other neighbour does do I have less say in the matter of the outcome when the perp gets caught?

'I have kids' 'throw away the key'

[MaryPoppins]

I said it before churchy

but really, should we tread on eggshells all the time ??

anyways, give the boy a big hugg , and from us here as well

No, that's what I was saying. A thread with this title is probably going to contain unsavoury facts, and I should have known to avoid it.

[EternalOptimist]

My lad was 2 at the time. It was pretty tough reading even the sanitised accounts in the papers.

my kids were a similar age, and we lived close to where it happened. In fact my kids nearly suffered a similar fate
it was only because they could run faster than me, and knew where to hide that they managed to survive <little gits >

[NotAllThere]

My lad was 2 at the time. It was pretty tough reading even the sanitised accounts in the papers.

[EternalOptimist]

I did think that when I got upset at what Churchy had posted - a thread like this isn't going to contain kittens and roses is it, so I shouldn't be surprised!

Am going to squeeze the boychild when I get home, till his head pops off.

I said it before churchy

but really, should we tread on eggshells all the time ??

anyways, give the boy a big hugg , and from us here as well

[MaryPoppins]

maybe you should steer clear of horrible threads like this as well, mp. it upsetting you

I did think that when I got upset at what Churchy had posted - a thread like this isn't going to contain kittens and roses is it, so I shouldn't be surprised!

Am going to squeeze the boychild when I get home, till his head pops off.

[EternalOptimist]

I read a small part of it when trying to find out (facts) about how the boy had been abducted. I couldn't read past the first couple of lines, but I know that's mainly because my little boy is so close in age. My mind literally scrambles when I try to imagine what he and his family went through.

maybe you should steer clear of horrible threads like this as well, mp. it upsetting you

[MaryPoppins]

In that case, do yourself a favour and avoid the Wikipedia page about the murder. It's awful.

I read a small part of it when trying to find out (facts) about how the boy had been abducted. I couldn't read past the first couple of lines, but I know that's mainly because my little boy is so close in age. My mind literally scrambles when I try to imagine what he and his family went through.