Reply to: The student becomes the master

[OwlHoot]

Or, she's just young and impatient. The young always think they know better ...

When I was a teenager, my parents were woefully ignorant about everything. But they've learned a lot since then.

(apologies to Mark Twain)

[suityou01]

In my area most people are grey haired old farts (slowly getting there myself though) and new blood is always required and it makes me happy to see youngsters taking an interest and I'll always do my best to mentor them. They tend to specialise in 1 or 2 areas of the systems whereas I spread myself about a bit but if I have a problem I know that I can go to them to ask for assistance and I'm not ashamed that they've got more knowledge than me and hopefully they'll come to me for knowledge in other areas they don't have.

Currently have a young lad (27 I believe, just out of Uni.)who has just started, sitting next to me in the office. He hasn't worked in this specific area of IT before but the company have sent him on a few training courses already and I've been assisting him and already I can see that he's picking it up well. On the other hand he knows all this new fangled stuff which is not really my area but now enroaches on it so I use him to help me there. All good stuff.

Sounds like a nice balance. And I bet the respect goes both ways.

[darmstadt]

In my area most people are grey haired old farts (slowly getting there myself though) and new blood is always required and it makes me happy to see youngsters taking an interest and I'll always do my best to mentor them. They tend to specialise in 1 or 2 areas of the systems whereas I spread myself about a bit but if I have a problem I know that I can go to them to ask for assistance and I'm not ashamed that they've got more knowledge than me and hopefully they'll come to me for knowledge in other areas they don't have.

Currently have a young lad (27 I believe, just out of Uni.)who has just started, sitting next to me in the office. He hasn't worked in this specific area of IT before but the company have sent him on a few training courses already and I've been assisting him and already I can see that he's picking it up well. On the other hand he knows all this new fangled stuff which is not really my area but now enroaches on it so I use him to help me there. All good stuff.

[xoggoth]

but the ability to program never leaves you

Absolutely. I've done FORTRAN, ALGOL and MODULA 2 so I could easily do anything I set my mind to.

[d000hg]

She may 'know' some technologies but she's obviously an idiot. Move on.

Or, she's just young and impatient. The young always think they know better, hardly a trait that escapes CUKkers. Also, she might be better than SY. After all she's specialising in web-dev, and it IS SY after all.

[Pondlife]

Or you could just wish her well.

Some of the people I've helped along the way have gone in a different direction to myself and are always willing to spread the knowledge back.

From what you post, you work in slightly different areas, and in her chosen field she does ok.

She thought you had experience in something (which you haven't) and was trying to repay the original favour.

What's the prob?

I get calls each week saying "are you still doing xyz" and if I'm not I say no but I may know a chap who is.

What's the problem? She thought you were doing something that you aren't but at least she thought enough to ask.

[Zippy]

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So tonight she calls me (about 6 months after we last spoke) carrying on with an air of superiority. She wants my help on a project, not to do the theming, but to cut some php. Easy enough. Then the conversation took a turn. I felt like I was being interviewed. What projects have you worked on recently, what languages do you feel the most comfortable with etc etc. Not just innocent questions, and you could tell she was unimpressed when I said I hadn't really done that much in the past year and had not looked at HTML 5.

I am now long enough in the tooth to know that new fads come and go, but the ability to program never leaves you. And all those hard fought and won scars on your back are not for nothing. I have not written anything in about 12 months, as I have moved on from coding into other areas, but I am still taking on other programming projects as I can, will and will invoice.

Her tone has left me somewhat gobsmacked. She is obviously going places, and I have just wet the bed again, but I just wondered if anyone on here has coaxed the next generation of programmers only for them to gain expertise and then look at you like you are yesterday's news.

Not nice.

She may 'know' some technologies but she's obviously an idiot. Move on.

[d000hg]

I thought this story was going to go a totally different direction, with her offering herself to you and you finding yourself in a sticking situation. Can you edit the story to end that way, it would be better.

As it is, tell her to shut it, HTML5 isn't even finished and it's nothing special anyway. And I don't really know you can be left behind, only left behind in certain areas. If you were a a web-dev by trade then you should be worried, but you just dabble with it on the side so were never expert to begin with or she wouldn't overtake you so quickly. It's only once she learnt a bit that she realised you're not that great at web-dev to begin with.

[MarillionFan]

You need more sockies

The trick with using a sockie is to ensure it doesn't have the same personality as the originator......

Just think. If SY stopped using them, he;'d be on more posts than Zeity by now.

[Troll]

Awwwwwww maaaaaaan

You need more sockies

[suityou01]

How did the student become the master? Someone came along that was good at web development willing to do a website for free for you, but you paid her (idiot). She then went on and forged a career while you stagnated (lazy) even more and then was pissed off that she asked about your skills for an interview (loser).

The title should be, The loser became even more of loser.

You are getting better at this. 3.5/10

[kandr]

How did the student become the master? Someone came along that was good at web development willing to do a website for free for you, but you paid her (idiot). She then went on and forged a career while you stagnated (lazy) even more and then was pissed off that she asked about your skills for an interview (loser).

The title should be, The loser became even more of loser.

[suityou01]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Troll again..

Awwwwwww maaaaaaan

[suityou01]

Being serious. (Look serious face).

That has happened to me a number of times. I've helped people along the way, mentored, shown them the ropes and made them be a little tougher. I laugh at the number of times when I've been on the phone(or met someone later who I've helped) who then tells me how I'm stuck in my ways! How they have adapted on their niche skills and making a mint, how I should be doing it, helping me 'on the way down'. Truth is I smile & be positive/supportive.

It's like the story of the two bulls Suityou.

Two bulls were on top of a hill looking down over a field of young heifers. The younger bull turns to the older bull and says, "Hey, look at all those heifers down there old timer, I'm going to run down and f**k one them."

The older bull nods. 'You do that son.... I'll walk down and f**k the rest then!'

I was recounting the same story in my head while waiting for someone sane to post.

I shall carry on waiting

[MarillionFan]

There is a girl I know who I saw as an up and coming web talent. She worked for a friend of mine in his electrical business and pimped his website (I did version 1.0) in wordpress. It looked fantastic. I was so full of praise.

So I asked her to do mine. When asked how much, she got all shy and said she'd do it for nothing, and my friend had bought her an iPhone for doing his site. I ignored her, got the prevailing rate from the industry average and worked out a fair whack, and paid it. She said she felt lifted by it, and I felt I had done a good thing. A fair days pay and all that. The end result was fantastic. She is by far a more talented web dev than I am, and was always going to be.

So tonight she calls me (about 6 months after we last spoke) carrying on with an air of superiority. She wants my help on a project, not to do the theming, but to cut some php. Easy enough. Then the conversation took a turn. I felt like I was being interviewed. What projects have you worked on recently, what languages do you feel the most comfortable with etc etc. Not just innocent questions, and you could tell she was unimpressed when I said I hadn't really done that much in the past year and had not looked at HTML 5.

I am now long enough in the tooth to know that new fads come and go, but the ability to program never leaves you. And all those hard fought and won scars on your back are not for nothing. I have not written anything in about 12 months, as I have moved on from coding into other areas, but I am still taking on other programming projects as I can, will and will invoice.

Her tone has left me somewhat gobsmacked. She is obviously going places, and I have just wet the bed again, but I just wondered if anyone on here has coaxed the next generation of programmers only for them to gain expertise and then look at you like you are yesterday's news.

Not nice.

Being serious. (Look serious face).

That has happened to me a number of times. I've helped people along the way, mentored, shown them the ropes and made them be a little tougher. I laugh at the number of times when I've been on the phone(or met someone later who I've helped) who then tells me how I'm stuck in my ways! How they have adapted on their niche skills and making a mint, how I should be doing it, helping me 'on the way down'. Truth is I smile & be positive/supportive.

It's like the story of the two bulls Suityou.

Two bulls were on top of a hill looking down over a field of young heifers. The younger bull turns to the older bull and says, "Hey, look at all those heifers down there old timer, I'm going to run down and f**k one them."

The older bull nods. 'You do that son.... I'll walk down and f**k the rest then!'