Reply to: Permie just got sacked

[MarillionFan]

Well, isn't that nice... suggesting not to give a tulip about getting job done and just send invoices - at SKA Towers that would get you canned like a tuna

Well considering you only pay in tuna, its not really much of a threat is it!

[AtW]

I just said ‘**** that for a game of soldiers; go freelance, send a monthly invoice and stop giving a tulip’.

Well, isn't that nice... suggesting not to give a tulip about getting job done and just send invoices - at SKA Towers that would get you canned like a tuna

[MarillionFan]

You have developed something of a track record for talking first and thinking later. If you'd checked Mitch's location you'd have seen it said NL.

FTFY.

Leave NL alone. I for one love it when he leaves his microphone when stepping into his office!

PS : NL - Never back down, just soak it up and tell em to F-Off, it worked for Maggie!!!

[northernladuk]

You are developing something of a track record for talking first and thinking later. If you'd checked Mitch's location you'd have seen it said NL.

Yar, like I read the location of everyone I post to... NOT.. I ****ed up. It happens. I still sleep well. Thanks for your input thought. Appreciated.

I guess I could argue the difference between not giving him notice 1 month before the end of his contract and 'sacking' him to try and save a bit of face but it will just a bun fight I can't win so won't bother. I got it wrong, was fair assumption. Thats life. LOL

[DaveB]

Well I did make the mistake of assuming that as this is a ContractorUK board it maybe a UK issue but we all know what happens when you assume things. Not really a case of fighting back, I made an assumption, it was incorrect so hold my hand up to it. Nothing wrong with that is there? I don't see it as crawling back in to a hole, feeling pretty stupid then yes but crawling in to a hole then no.

I thangkew...

You are developing something of a track record for talking first and thinking later. If you'd checked Mitch's location you'd have seen it said NL.

[northernladuk]

Game.... Set..... & Match to the Mich-star!!!

Hey! Northernloudfart.... Does Mich fight back a bit better than the normal Newbies you attack???

Well I did make the mistake of assuming that as this is a ContractorUK board it maybe a UK issue but we all know what happens when you assume things. Not really a case of fighting back, I made an assumption, it was incorrect so hold my hand up to it. Nothing wrong with that is there? I don't see it as crawling back in to a hole, feeling pretty stupid then yes but crawling in to a hole then no.

I thangkew...

[Mich the Tester]

Are you sure you're a contractor? That degree of compassion is highly unprofessional.

I’d forgotten about it until you reminded me.

[thunderlizard]

Poor fellow; nice guy and v. intelligent.

Are you sure you're a contractor? That degree of compassion is highly unprofessional.

[Drewster]

........ Loud mouthed shouty listen to me stuff.....

........ don't you ever read stuff without opening the tulip trap.....

........ Errrr Oh see..... <Crawls back into hole>........

Game.... Set..... & Match to the Mich-star!!!

Hey! Northernloudfart.... Does Mich fight back a bit better than the normal Newbies you attack???

[Mich the Tester]

Ouch!!! LOL well thats a totally different kettle of fish then. Is that the same as these perm contracts some companies are using here nowadays?

Still... surely they can be held responsible to some extent surely? He could throw a fit and try for some form of compensation. The company had a responsibility to make sure he was capable before giving him the job surely?

He has no come-back on this. His contract ends and either he goes or they offer him a new contract. The employer can offer maximum three temporary contracts and then must either dump him or give a permanent contract. In practice this means many companies employ someone for one year three times then dump them. It also means that people apply for jobs toward the end of each one year contract and then either leave or demand a higher salary, thus pushing up costs for the business.

Of course, this also means that those people with a little self confidence, or those who have experienced this and become cynical, just say fook that for a game of soldiers and become freelancers, whereupon the very same businesses moan about high rates and disloyalty and so on.

[northernladuk]

You obviously don’t know Dutch employment practise. Permies start here on contracts of one year at a time before getting the permie contract; he was told with one month to run until renewal that he’s out.

Ouch!!! LOL well thats a totally different kettle of fish then. Is that the same as these perm contracts some companies are using here nowadays?

Still... surely they can be held responsible to some extent surely? He could throw a fit and try for some form of compensation. The company had a responsibility to make sure he was capable before giving him the job surely?

[Mich the Tester]

Erm.. I am almost certain you cannot be sacked for 'not performing' in a job and especially within a month so would question the validity of your story. For a permie to be sacked for doing a bad job they have to go through performance appraisals and whole raft of process for the company to be able to sack them without reprisal for unfair dismissal.

If they promoted him and then sacked him in a month I would be laughing by bloody tits off as I drive round to me solicitor to start proceedings against them.

Sorry but there is a definate smell of bulltulip round here. You bored today?

You obviously don’t know Dutch employment practise. Permies start here on contracts of one year at a time before getting the permie contract; he was told with one month to run until renewal that he’s out.

[northernladuk]

Sent home with one month’s pay. Was promoted a month ago, is now dumped for ‘not performing’ in a job he’d never done before. Poor fellow; nice guy and v. intelligent. Have given him a business card and advised him to go freelance; no more emotions or bulltulip, just monthly invoices. NL market’s picking up too. Will call him again at weekend.

Erm.. I am almost certain you cannot be sacked for 'not performing' in a job and especially within a month so would question the validity of your story. For a permie to be sacked for doing a bad job they have to go through performance appraisals and whole raft of process for the company to be able to sack them without reprisal for unfair dismissal.

If they promoted him and then sacked him in a month I would be laughing by bloody tits off as I drive round to me solicitor to start proceedings against them.

Sorry but there is a definate smell of bulltulip round here. You bored today?

[Mich the Tester]

I always love the old 'We just sacked you but lets be friends' load of bollocks


How about we don't be friends and if you cross my path again I will rip out your windpipe you bunch of backstabbing cowardly **** wits.


There is no love or loyalty in business those that tell you different are simply lying to themselves!

This is where contracting changes the equation. The permies get emotionally attached to work and colleagues, and are easily manipulated with the fear of losing their job. As a contractor I don’t care if you want to insult me, treat me like a doggydoo or talk down to me. Just bear in mind that all the time you choose to spend doing that, I charge a pound a minute to ignore you.

[original PM]

I always love the old 'We just sacked you but lets be friends' load of bollocks


How about we don't be friends and if you cross my path again I will rip out your windpipe you bunch of backstabbing cowardly **** wits.


There is no love or loyalty in business those that tell you different are simply lying to themselves!