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[sasguru]

Sas,

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Yes, glad you got my point.

[milanbenes]

Sas,

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


Chimp,

what are you talking about ?

You mean one day we'll hit the big time ?

Milan.

[sasguru]

Unless you're doing development, SAP is DULL with a capital D. Its only draw is money. And there are better ways to get that, even in the IT space...

HTH

[ChimpMaster]

Your time will come.

[Francko]

sorry mate,

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Milan.

I would still leave the part about .net and the full msdn certification. That's a win-win one.

[milanbenes]

sorry mate,

all edited out

Milan.

[Pondlife]

Mods, Please delete this thread. Thanks.

Nothing to see here, move along now.

Bensey, you should know better than this.

[milanbenes]

ooops

Milan.

[SofaKingdom]

Sage ?

As Milan said, it's for big big big companies, not noddy outfits.

And remember that most companies which wish to implement SAP will go through a very long procurement process during which they will invite tenders from all and sundry and gauge the responses very carefully. The reason SAP wins is because it's the tool which does the job, not through marketing hype.

That's not to say that there aren't outfits running SAP which shouldn't be. I've come across a few myself, and these were public bodies who are happy to waste taxpayers' money.

Thanks for the lecture re implementing ERP. The Sage option was included as a piss-take against Milan's assertion that SAP is the only option.

I have been contracting in the ERP arena for nearly 15 years so I have an idea how the procurement process works. Thanks though

[NotAllThere]

I remember a cover from Freelance Informer in the late 90s, with a bunch of people licking a tree. The caption was - some contractors will do anything to say they've got SAP experience.

[Platypus]

Sage? Peoplesoft? Microsoft Dynamics? Oracle?

Sage ?

As Milan said, it's for big big big companies, not noddy outfits.

And remember that most companies which wish to implement SAP will go through a very long procurement process during which they will invite tenders from all and sundry and gauge the responses very carefully. The reason SAP wins is because it's the tool which does the job, not through marketing hype.

That's not to say that there aren't outfits running SAP which shouldn't be. I've come across a few myself, and these were public bodies who are happy to waste taxpayers' money.

[NotAllThere]

Who cares why big business use SAP? I'm only interested in the fact that they do, and it pays for my lifestyle very nicely.

But if you do care - here's the sales pitch: SAP covers: sales, purchasing, finance, material management, MRP, production planning, project management, plant maintenance, HR, messaging, SRM, CRM, data warehousing, treasury, accounting, leasing, manufacturing, batch management, company mergers, executive information... . It's configurable and extensible to a high degree, it's integrated and it's scaleable. It's been immensely successful, because it isn't limited to one market sector. While I can think of plenty of software that has any one of the above, or even a collection of them, and does it better, I can't think of anything that has the same scope. Though in recent years interoperability has improved. Many organisations uses Ariba for purchasing, in conjunction with SAP, for example.

btw - ABAP has (in its origins) elements in common with COBOL, but it isn't COBOL any more than Java is C.

[SofaKingdom]

then folks, there's only one choice....

Milan.

Sage? Peoplesoft? Microsoft Dynamics? Oracle?

[threaded]

for big big big companies, is there any other choice ?

If you want software to cover every part of your big big big enterprise from a to z

and

you do not want all the c r a p of trying to cobble together best of breed
(where the different vendors blame each other when stuff stops working)

and

you want one phone number when you have a problem....

then folks, there's only one choice....

Milan.

Nah, that doesn't wash. One sees many a client like one of mine whose SAP installation's only use is for time registration, and because of some money saving exercise now have no one left who knows how it was cobbled together, so all new starters are getting the same 'shift pattern', they're entering those times, even though they may be working different ones, and are keeping track of their flexi on a bit of paper...

So, why do these organisations buy and continue to use SAP?

[milanbenes]

oooops

Milan.