A wise man speaks

[cojak]

Assuming the CO2 theory is correct.The hurdle has been set so high it's impossible to achieve, there's no way we can reduce CO2 emissions to get it back down. I heard one report that the billions spent by the Germans on wind generation would delay global warming by an hour.

Nothing against sensible alternatives to fossil fuel, but apart from nuclear and hydro there just isn't anything.

I suspect this is where all the frustration and emotion in the whole Climate Change debate comes from.

On the one hand, the Climate Scientists are saying "oi, beware!" and politicians won't agree or make changes. On the other the 'skeptics' are saying "taxing us and making us sort our rubbish into 4 bins is doing nothing!"

Everybody is frustrated because there's really very little can be done about it, even if it is true.

I reckon BB and TBYJ have hit this very large philosophical conundrum nail on the head...

[xoggoth]

We should selectively breed to make man smaller. If we were the size of ants population would not be a problem.

[Gonzo]

The planet is hardly in danger. And no we can't prevent climate change. Gaia theory, pah, it's pretty obvious as if the planet weren't a giant ecosystem (like an organism) that we'd never have evolved and be here to say so.

I agree. Even if this carbon stuff is a big problem, it is too big to meaningfully do anything about so efforts would be better spent doing something else.

I really do not want to sound like Malthus, I really don't, but population growth will more than wipe out the benefits of recycling your tin cans.

I only agree with "Trying to save the planet is a lot of nonsense"

The planet survived near extinction of the species long before man came along, and as an ecosystem, it will probably potter along merrily long after we are gone.

I don't see why people can't live with the idea that one day humans will be as extinct as dinosaurs are now. It won't be the end of the world, so to speak. I suppose that idea would represent quite a major challenge to most organised religions .....

[threaded]

Everybody is frustrated because there's really very little can be done about it, even if it is true.

There are some very simple steps that could alleviate the problem.

Unfortunately with dodgy scientists colluding with politicians to raise taxes you're not going to get a solution before it is too late.

As a perfect example I shall drag out the catalytic converter: in a world facing a shortage of fuel only environ-mentalists would demand everyone has a device fitted to their cars that causes them to use more fuel and causes massive environmental damage to the areas where the raw materials are found.

Why not try doing this: just burn the fuel more efficiently, and use higher quality bearings. Way cheaper than a catalytic converter, and actually reduces fuel usage. It ain't rocket science.

[HairyArsedBloke]

I only agree with "Trying to save the planet is a lot of nonsense"

The planet survived near extinction of the species long before man came along, and as an ecosystem, it will probably potter along merrily long after we are gone.

Even if "global warming" ever managed to get under control, do you honestly think it would ever be mentioned?

PAH

Aye.

[shaunbhoy]

I suspect this is where all the frustration and emotion in the whole Climate Change debate comes from.

On the one hand, the Climate Scientists are saying "oi, beware!" and politicians won't agree or make changes. On the other the 'skeptics' are saying "taxing us and making us sort our rubbish into 4 bins is doing nothing!"

Everybody is frustrated because there's really very little can be done about it, even if it is true.

I thought they were going to issue us all with hockey sticks or something?

[TheBigYinJames]

Nothing against sensible alternatives to fossil fuel, but apart from nuclear and hydro there just isn't anything.

I suspect this is where all the frustration and emotion in the whole Climate Change debate comes from.

On the one hand, the Climate Scientists are saying "oi, beware!" and politicians won't agree or make changes. On the other the 'skeptics' are saying "taxing us and making us sort our rubbish into 4 bins is doing nothing!"

Everybody is frustrated because there's really very little can be done about it, even if it is true.

[BlasterBates]

Assuming the CO2 theory is correct.The hurdle has been set so high it's impossible to achieve, there's no way we can reduce CO2 emissions to get it back down. I heard one report that the billions spent by the Germans on wind generation would delay global warming by an hour.

Nothing against sensible alternatives to fossil fuel, but apart from nuclear and hydro there just isn't anything.

[stingman123]

I only agree with "Trying to save the planet is a lot of nonsense"

The planet survived near extinction of the species long before man came along, and as an ecosystem, it will probably potter along merrily long after we are gone.

Even if "global warming" ever managed to get under control, do you honestly think it would ever be mentioned?

PAH

[Churchill]

The planet is hardly in danger. And no we can't prevent climate change. Gaia theory, pah, it's pretty obvious as if the planet weren't a giant ecosystem (like an organism) that we'd never have evolved and be here to say so.

So!

[TimberWolf]

The planet is hardly in danger. And no we can't prevent climate change. Gaia theory, pah, it's pretty obvious as if the planet weren't a giant ecosystem (like an organism) that we'd never have evolved and be here to say so.

[doodab]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today...00/8594561.stm

And he seems to agree partially with both sides of the polarized debates we normally see on here. He's worth listening to even if you don't agree with everything he says.