Reply to: What is a good 'symbol' for an atheist to wear?

[Board Game Geek]

But, unless Athiests can prove there is NO God, they are in no position to criticise.

Completely wrong on that point.

Anybody who makes "extraordinary claims" must be able to back up those claims with "extraordinary proof".

It's not for the doubters to prove, it's for the claimants to prove.

If I told you I could "fly" by flapping my hands, it's perfectly understandable for you to not believe me. I have to prove to you my claim. Evidence-led factual analysis.

[EternalOptimist]

The logical problem with this is that SasGurus rantings on here ARE approaching infinity. or maybe it just seems that way

[Mich the Tester]

Not true. There could be an infinite number of Sasgurus and no useful writing produced. If being Sasguru and writing something useful are inherently contradictory, then it won't happen. Consider, there are an infinite number of even numbers. Not one of them is odd.

Ah, but now you posit that there is a fundamental law precluding useful writings by Sasguru. Are the fundamental laws of physics identical in all universes? Surely that's unlikely. Given an infinite number of universes there may be many, or even infinite varieties of fundamental laws, thereby allowing for the possibility that a Sasguru in a hitherto unknown universe may at this very moment be writing something useful. If that possibility is present, then given infinite universes it will surely happen in some of those universes. Of course, it's quite possible that no Sasguru is currently writing anything useful in any universe, if the infinite universes are not concurrent. Given concurrent infinite universes, some Sasgurus are writing something useful.

[NotAllThere]

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Interesting note: out of 70,000 skeletons recently examined from the time/place of Jesus, only one was found to have evidence of being nailed to anything. Most sinners were just tied to a cross, nails being too expensive to throw away on mere Christian crusifictions it seems. Hey but wait a minute, I wonder if that one could of been...no it couldn't be...could it??

No it couldn't. At least, in the Christian and Muslim view. Christians believe (for the main part) that he was raised from the dead. Muslims believe he was spirited from the cross before he died. The paucity of nails in crucifixion victims has been known for years. It seems that in the cases where it has been found (with nails through ankles and wrists), that it could have been done as an additional discomfort. Maybe the 70'000 recently examined that you talk about were the victims of the sacking of Jerusalem. That would explain their not being enough nails.

I'd like to know what was before the universe before the big bang.

Augustine nailed this one (the Christian version is "what was before God made the universe" or "what was before God"). The answer is the same. Time came into existence at the point of the big bang/let there be light. To talk about a time "before" time began is a logical absurdity, with no meaning.

No, really, an infinite number of Sasgurus will write something useful. By definition, an infinite number of other Sasgurus will write nothing of any use whatsoever, given an infinite number of universes.

Not true. There could be an infinite number of Sasgurus and no useful writing produced. If being Sasguru and writing something useful are inherently contradictory, then it won't happen. Consider, there are an infinite number of even numbers. Not one of them is odd.

[EternalOptimist]

try this one

[Moscow Mule]

Any sign of my symbol yet?

Use this one, I don't think prince is using it any more.

[Mich the Tester]

Any sign of my symbol yet?

[singhr]

Any sign of my symbol yet?

[Moscow Mule]

No, really, an infinite number of Sasgurus will write something useful. By definition, an infinite number of other Sasgurus will write nothing of any use whatsoever, given an infinite number of universes.

Ha, you beat them with infinity + 1.

[Mich the Tester]

Or none of them will write anything useful.

No, really, an infinite number of Sasgurus will write something useful. By definition, an infinite number of other Sasgurus will write nothing of any use whatsoever, given an infinite number of universes.

[doodab]

No, an infinite number of them will write infinite useful things. It's the way infinity works.

Or none of them will write anything useful.

[Pondlife]

No, an infinite number of them will write infinite useful things. It's the way infinity works.

Just think of their post count

[Mich the Tester]

And maybe given an infinite amount of time, one will write something useful.

No, an infinite number of them will write infinite useful things. It's the way infinity works.

[Pondlife]

If there are infinite universes of which only a tiny percentage contain Sasgurus, then there is still an infinite number of Sasgurus.

And maybe given an infinite amount of time, one will write something useful.

[norrahe]

If there are infinite universes of which only a tiny percentage contain Sasgurus, then there is still an infinite number of Sasgurus.