Reply to: muslim coppers

[cojak]

The fire in Afghanistan started with the cold war and the Russian invasian and subsequent explusion by US-backed mujahadeen.

It actually started with McNaghten cutting the subsidy to the Gilzai chiefs.

As you were...

[RichardCranium]

Every time I have seen this thread title since the thread was created, I have read it as "muslin slippers".

[lilelvis2000]

Don't get me started on the Saudis

This really shows up the bulltulip that comes out the media and the western leaders. Terrorism's centre is in Saudi Arabia (as well as the playboys/despots funnily enough). It is a really messed up country yet the US are attacking the poor countries of pakistan and afghanistan - coincidence eh?

The fire in Afghanistan started with the cold war and the Russian invasian and subsequent explusion by US-backed mujahadeen.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

What has changed are the rulers of these countries - some of them put there by "us". These guys are similar in nature to Pinochet, Ceausescu et al. Relegion plays no part in it at all. The Sauds are known despots and drunkards and often go to brothels in UAE. Perhaps a bit of American cash to prop them up too eh?

Don't get me started on the Saudis

This really shows up the bulltulip that comes out the media and the western leaders. Terrorism's centre is in Saudi Arabia (as well as the playboys/despots funnily enough). It is a really messed up country yet the US are attacking the poor countries of pakistan and afghanistan - coincidence eh?

[lilelvis2000]

I don't how many of you guys went to university (or did but didnt attend your lectures) but I remember several muslim names appearing in my computer science lectures i.e. Advanced Mathematics and Algorithms where the "fathers" of the sciences were all Muslims. It may be the case the Muslim countries are backwards now in their thinking but if it is the fault of the religion then howcomes they were so advanced when we were in our dark ages? Perhaps the religion has changed overtime like any other religion? Fabrications added, made up stories (e.g. of massacres) - to justify the actions some people take?

The fathers of modery chemistry, mathematics, astronomy, philosphy were all Muslim scholars (i.e. those well versed in Islam primarily). explain that one.

What has changed are the rulers of these countries - some of them put there by "us". These guys are similar in nature to Pinochet, Ceausescu et al. Relegion plays no part in it at all. The Sauds are known despots and drunkards and often go to brothels in UAE. Perhaps a bit of American cash to prop them up too eh?

[northernrampage]

The old testament is not christian teachings. I can see why you lapsed if you think it is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible

Of course Wiki never lies <cough>

If you're a born again Christian or Church of England you may not view the Old Testament as being a Christian teaching, however it is for some Christian denominations.

The new testament also references the old testament in several places, they can be viewed together, or as stand-alone pieces.

I'm now watching the history of the bible on C4, I think I need to get out more.

[EternalOptimist]

Just listened to Osama BLs latest dvd release.

It was a bit different from previous efforts because he spent most of his speech describing the AL-Quaeda effort to help the victims of the Haitai earthquake, and only a little bit threatening to murder innocent air passengers

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

I agree wholeheartedly, I wish I didn't, but it's fair comment.

Sadly religions have a vested interest in keeping education to a select minority so that they have a large force of ignorant footsoldiers that can be easily indoctrinated.
When a population becomes widely educated the reliance on religion and the power of the religious leaders fades.

Another example is Bush. If ever there was a comparison between christian and islam its those neocon/christian zionists who were running the USA in the last term. Just because it's not in the media doesn't make it any less significant to the terrorists on the other end of the spectrum.

Also any fake religion would do such - encourage you to remain uneducated and not seek knowledge, experience, skills. A real religion will encourage you to go out there whether it be in terms of science, literature, art, politics, study, uni etc etc. Otherwise what a dumb religion it would be.

[TykeMerc]

If you have an interest in History as I do then you will know that these psychos only came about in the last couple of centuries.

However there is no justification for becoming extreme. It's always ignorence, lack of education and poverty which leads to crime and terrorists are no different - they are uneducated scum and most muslims would be the first to tell you.

I agree wholeheartedly, I wish I didn't, but it's fair comment.

Sadly religions have a vested interest in keeping education to a select minority so that they have a large force of ignorant footsoldiers that can be easily indoctrinated.
When a population becomes widely educated the reliance on religion and the power of the religious leaders fades.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

The biggest radicalisation of muslims and especially the youth has been undoutedly over the past decade.

And to paraphrase Bill Clinton: 'It's the war stupid!'.

Exactly - totally agree.

If you have an interest in History as I do then you will know that these psychos only came about in the last couple of centuries.

However there is no justification for becoming extreme. It's always ignorence, lack of education and poverty which leads to crime and terrorists are no different - they are uneducated scum and most muslims would be the first to tell you.

[EC4N]

...They are not simply acting because of other grievances...,

Islamic terrorism is about Islam. The lack of logic on this issue by those excusing it is stupifying.

The biggest radicalisation of muslims and especially the youth has been undoutedly over the past decade.

And to paraphrase Bill Clinton: 'It's the war stupid!'.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

I agree that the comparison is very weak.

Definitley those who are the most violent and disgraceful people (wishing to cut the heads off people, suicide bombing etc) are from people who say that they are doing what Islam says.

But I have read histories of Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism and the faiths often bear little resemblence to the people who claim to follow them.

It is what happened after the coming of the religions that lead to these different sects and random beliefs forming. People used them to their political advantage and brain washed the masses to get what they want. This is exactly what is happening today. There is a particular "brand" of Islam which is spreading and it is that "brand" which needs to be wiped out. Otherwise you will find all the religions are the same at heart. In all religions we have:

"love thy neighbour"
"do to others what you would have done to yourself"
charity
saving life
forgiving others
doing work for non-financial rewards

If you go and read the scriptures you will be astonished to see the similarity. Unfortunatley some idiots focus on th ambiguous and not clear cut areas and translate them or make up their own interpretations.

One thing everybody should agree upon:
This "violent brand" of "Islam" needs to be wiped out and all especially Muslims need to work hard to get rid of it.

And if you don't agree with anything I said then at least realise that its in your own interest to do that.

[xoggoth]

What a ridiculous comparison. I don't recall anyone in the IRA stating that Christianity was the reason for their actions or naming their group after Christ or Christian characters.

The difference here is that Islamic terrorists are specifically acting in the name of Islam because it is they who tell us so. They are not simply acting because of other grievances, does a Pakistani Muslim know any more about the situation in Gaza than any of us here? Generally not, the only reason Pakistanis and others get involves is because they share the same religion.

Islamic terrorism is about Islam. The lack of logic on this issue by those excusing it is stupifying.

[ratewhore]

Asserting that the biggest threat to national security is Islam is akin to suggesting that, back in the Seventies, Eighties, and Nineties, the biggest threat to national security was Christianity.

As usual, the biggest threat to national security is from terrorists. It doesn't really matter what they believe.

I would consider 'the troubles' to be political, not religious. You have to admit, the IRA did not want to make the world Christian did they?

[NickFitz]

Asserting that the biggest threat to national security is Islam is akin to suggesting that, back in the Seventies, Eighties, and Nineties, the biggest threat to national security was Christianity.

As usual, the biggest threat to national security is from terrorists. It doesn't really matter what they believe.