Reply to: Traitors

[Sysman]

Most places I know the contractors are the longest serving "members of staff"...

My longest stint in one spot was as a contractor. When it comes to the longevity of same desk / office / location, most contracts having beaten permieland hands down.

[Gibbon]

Do you have any friends?

Not even virtual ones these days

[Mich the Tester]

I dislike permies too, even the ones who hire me

Do you have any friends?

[Gibbon]

I dislike permies too, even the ones who hire me

[Purple Dalek]

PM7, who commissioned the survey, employ permy Project Managers and charge them out at Contractor rates. They are also recruiting as well.

So, what better way to try and lessen the competition and get contract PMs to go and work for them so they can trouser the margin, than to try and spread this sort of rubbish around.

You don't suggest a company in the IT industry is using Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt as a way to enhance profits? Well, I Never!

[Alf W]

PM7, who commissioned the survey, employ permy Project Managers and charge them out at Contractor rates. They are also recruiting as well.

So, what better way to try and lessen the competition and get contract PMs to go and work for them so they can trouser the margin, than to try and spread this sort of rubbish around.

[DaveB]

Already done it, started last Monday.

[Mich the Tester]

I spoke to the IT director of my last clientco on the phone yesterday and he said he’d had >50 CVs arrive for one job, whereas he’d have been lucky to have 5 last year. However, when I asked him how many were suitable for the job he said ‘same as before, not more than two’.

[OwlHoot]

WHS

Plus the problem is if the clients have any brains they won't take you on as a permie knowing you'll jump ship when things pick up. I made a few half hearted permie enquiries in the last slump and got nowhere with teens of years of contracting on my CV.

Was about to post almost the same.

In the last recession nobody would touch me with a bargepole when I applied for permie roles.

[NickFitz]

From TFA:

Almost 500 of 1,000 IT contract project managers surveyed said looking for a job on a full-time basis was the best strategy in their receding market.

Is it really valid to draw conclusions about contractors as a whole when the survey is only of contractor PMs?

[BrilloPad]

I am currently looking at contract and permie. Anything to get through current storm.

Hope I can stay contract after 20 years continuous service.

[Zippy]

I would think about it but the question is academic - nobody would employ me after being in the wild for so long

[TheFaQQer]

I'd consider it, if I was out of work for too long.

Problem is that I don't think there are many permie jobs that would give me the long holidays that I want to take each year.

[Mich the Tester]

Most places I know the contractors are the longest serving "members of staff"...

WHS

There are people around here that I thought were permies and have been here for years; it's only when they started chatting about the rate cuts for 2009 that I realized they're contractors.

[Purple Dalek]

WHS

Plus the problem is if the clients have any brains they won't take you on as a permie knowing you'll jump ship when things pick up. I made a few half hearted permie enquiries in the last slump and got nowhere with teens of years of contracting on my CV.

Most places I know the contractors are the longest serving "members of staff"...