Reply to: New BNP Hit Single

[lilelvis2000]

With mod hat on I do try and read all that he posts just to see if there is any chance of a ban but I must admit his posts are so long and bizarre that I do skim read.

Forgot to say, I will be writing to the Wurzels to point out the potential copyright infringement of the song and will also be emailing New Line Cinema and AOL Time Warner as I am sure they will not have given permission for the image of Dr Evil to be used on their site for the image titled "Is the BNP racist?" I suggest anyone else who gives a carp does the same. Copyright infringement is a serious crime.

Anyone who has looked at the bnp website and done a couple of searches of the "material" on it will soon realise that plagarism and copyright infringment is the rule not the exception.

[gingerjedi]

Along with Ferret I must be one of the few on the board to actually have known a couple of Somali asylum seekers. Not well, I used to drink with them in my local in Bristol and they came to my flat for drinks after chucking out time on a couple of occasions. They were nice blokes, perfect English.

However, " I knew some xxx and they were lovely" is not an argument on anything. Most people are pretty pleasant if you get to know them but that doesn't change the raw facts and it is those that should guide us. I haven't heard the BNP song but the welfare, prison and housing statistics indicate that Somalis, among others, are not an asset to the UK by any stretch of the imagination.

We should be wary of the seeing everyone from these places solely as an innocent victim. The relationship of any society with its citizens is a two way process, they create the society as much as it creates them and the problems of almost every migrant/ethnic group in the UK mirrors the problems in their country of origin just as yobbish/drunken/lewd behavour mirrors ours abroad.

In the UK, gang crime among Somalis, benefit dependency/begging among the Roma, absentee fathers and school drop outs among Afro Carribeans are problems that are at least as great in those countries. The relative wealth of Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis in the UK mirrors the relative success of those countries and I doubt that is coincidence either. Their own success is a measure of the education, skills and self belief they brought with them.

UK citizens do not have a duty to fund a fast track to first world society for third world citizens. In a world of 6bn+ people we can't afford to do so regardless of sympathies we might have.

Spot on.

[xoggoth]

I tend to agree on daft criteria for removal. If we are going to remove all illegals/failed AS, that's fine by me but since we do not seem to be able to it makes sense to concentrate on the least desirable. It is really annoying to see rules are rules trotted out when it is a skilled footballer or some other potentially useful sort.

[xoggoth]

Along with Ferret I must be one of the few on the board to actually have known a couple of Somali asylum seekers. Not well, I used to drink with them in my local in Bristol and they came to my flat for drinks after chucking out time on a couple of occasions. They were nice blokes, perfect English.

However, " I knew some xxx and they were lovely" is not an argument on anything. Most people are pretty pleasant if you get to know them but that doesn't change the raw facts and it is those that should guide us. I haven't heard the BNP song but the welfare, prison and housing statistics indicate that Somalis, among others, are not an asset to the UK by any stretch of the imagination.

We should be wary of the seeing everyone from these places solely as an innocent victim. The relationship of any society with its citizens is a two way process, they create the society as much as it creates them and the problems of almost every migrant/ethnic group in the UK mirrors the problems in their country of origin just as yobbish/drunken/lewd behavour mirrors ours abroad.

In the UK, gang crime among Somalis, benefit dependency/begging among the Roma, absentee fathers and school drop outs among Afro Carribeans are problems that are at least as great in those countries. The relative wealth of Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis in the UK mirrors the relative success of those countries and I doubt that is coincidence either. Their own success is a measure of the education, skills and self belief they brought with them.

UK citizens do not have a duty to fund a fast track to first world society for third world citizens. In a world of 6bn+ people we can't afford to do so regardless of sympathies we might have.

[scotspine]

Where is NickyG anyway?

not here, thankfully...

[TheFaQQer]

Where is NickyG anyway?

[BoredBloke]

It wasn't until I read a Denny post that I realised that this was really old.

It wasn't until I read yousr I realised. I should have known as he seems to talk more about the great comet now.

[NotAllThere]

It wasn't until I read a Denny post that I realised that this was really old.

[Pondlife]

WTF???

[thunderlizard]

From the Google catalogue entry for the www.last.fm record of that song:

People who like British National Party also like No Remorse, Blood & Honour, Kristalna Noc

Now there's a playlist to liven up your Christmas party.

[BrilloPad]

I didn't read these reports you've posted, I was basing my answer on a news report that I heard and which pretty much said what I wrote originally.

Unfortunately, news reports, written or otherwise, aren't always a good basis to form an opinion on the facts as they can distort the truth.

hear hear. I was involved in a media manipulation organisation. papers exist to sell papers.

what always gets me is the morons who buy and read such tosh.

[Denny]

Hmmm not sure there is a problem

I didn't read these reports you've posted, I was basing my answer on a news report that I heard and which pretty much said what I wrote originally.

Unfortunately, news reports, written or otherwise, aren't always a good basis to form an opinion on the facts as they can distort the truth.

[Troll]

And right on cue, NickyG's biatch turns up.

Silly boy

[Troll]

Not if they weren't already here, of course not. But this woman was legitimately in the UK until her visa ran out and she wasn't well enough to return on time of her own accord or renew her visa because of her illness. Sometimes, I think human feeling should take priority over legal considerations, particularly when the problem is unlikely to be a recurring one involving many people.

She first came to the UK as a visitor in 2003, but then changed her status to student and attempted to enrol on a banking course at a city college, her solicitor explained.
Ms Sumani's lack of English prevented her from pursuing the course and she went to find work which contravened her student visa.
In 2005 she returned to Ghana to attend a memorial service for her dead husband.
But when she came back to the UK her student visa was revoked and she was only given temporary admission which effectively meant she was given notice she would be removed, her solicitor said.
She did not keep in touch with immigration officials and was first taken ill in January 2006. Without the dialysis doctors fear she only has weeks to live.
Her solicitor said she accepted her removal was fair but said they had made representations on her behalf on compassionate grounds.

As I said, the best course of action would have been to ensure that she got the affordable treatment she needed in her own country.

A spokesman for Ghana's high commission in London said the country had two fully-equipped hospitals in Accra and further north in Kumasi.
He did concede that access to treatment was costly but said that if Ms Sumani was a member of the Ghana national health insurance scheme she would still receive treatment.

Hmmm not sure there is a problem

[Denny]

Would you have the NHS fund treatment for every cancer sufferer from the third world & if so on what basis?

Not if they weren't already here, of course not. But this woman was legitimately in the UK until her visa ran out and she wasn't well enough to return on time of her own accord or renew her visa because of her illness. Sometimes, I think human feeling should take priority over legal considerations, particularly when the problem is unlikely to be a recurring one involving many people.

As I said, the best course of action would have been to ensure that she got the affordable treatment she needed in her own country.