Reply to: Foreigners commit fifth of crime in London

[shaunbhoy]

London is a Darwinian community and only the fittest survive

If London may be likened to a compost heap, and I think it can, then you would be the biggest weed growing out of it sg.

[DBA_bloke]

Rich barrow boys, rich pretentious arrogant snobs, rich foreign criminals.
London is a Darwinian community and only the fittest survive. Lesser mortals have to move away or stay away.
Londoners are just higher on the evolutionary ladder than the rest of humanity.

HTH

You haven't walked from Crouch End to Holloway, recently, then? Now that really is like descending the evolutionary ladder, step by step!

[sasguru]

Well if foreigners are going to commit crime in Britain I can think of no better place to do it. The place is full of barrow-boys and pretentious arrogant snobs anyway, aside from the prodigiously busy foreign criminal communities of course.

Rich barrow boys, rich pretentious arrogant snobs, rich foreign criminals.
London is a Darwinian community and only the fittest survive. Lesser mortals have to move away or stay away.
Londoners are just higher on the evolutionary ladder than the rest of humanity.

HTH

[shaunbhoy]

Well if foreigners are going to commit crime in Britain I can think of no better place to do it. The place is full of barrow-boys and pretentious arrogant snobs anyway, aside from the prodigiously busy foreign criminal communities of course.

[DBA_bloke]

"Foreigners commit fifth of crime in London"

... good to see that Brits are doing the lion's share of crime, though.

[BoredBloke]

British crime for British criminals

[Troll]

Fair enough and a good point.

But the original post and the usual headlines (for example - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../ncrime123.xml
) create an impression (possibly that is the intention) that foreigners commit a disproportionately large number of crimes.

So you would be happier if the Telegraphs headline was 'Foreigners only commit a fifth of crime in London' ?

[vetran]

20% by non UK nationals

Foreign national, not Foreign born. The story suggests that 20% of crimes are committed by people that are not UK citizens, regardless of ethnicity, so showing the number of Ethnic minorities the majority of which may well be UK citizens is irrelevant.

"20% of crime is caused by visitors to the UK and people applying for citizenship" would be a more sensible statement. That to my mind is high. This probably has nothing to do with ethnicity and more with the kind of people that we attract by lax immigration enforcement.

If they were all Australians or Americans comitting the crime none of the usual suspects would be defending the figures.

[Troll]

Another classic Troll post.

Nice technique you have going there

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[oloks]

The Prophecies of Enoch Powell

[Troll]

The controls are there. However, since UK is part of EU you cannot stop people entering your country unless they pose a serious threat at an international level. Not sure that more control would somehow improve the situation. What can be useful though is a better cooperation among EU states police so that people can be tracked more easily from one country to another. I guess many people feel free to commit crime in UK because when they return to their countries there is no track of what they have done.

It's true that you cannot control movement throughout the EU - it works for UK nationals going to Spain etc and if you buy into the notion of an integrated union you cannot really complain.
But what about the rest, were they allowed in on FTV, Work permits, asylum?
One of the Labours arguments for large scale immigration is the economic benifit it supposedly brings.... interesting that we are now getting the figures to suggest that this may not always be the case

[kingshuk]

Even if it was 20% committing 20% that is not the point, we are stuck with our criminals, we have no duty to take in other people's and proper controls should ensure as far as possible that unsuitable people are not admitted.

Fair enough and a good point.

But the original post and the usual headlines (for example - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../ncrime123.xml
) create an impression (possibly that is the intention) that foreigners commit a disproportionately large number of crimes.

Many are unlikely to wonder about London's demographics at this point. Of course most such articles will not mention the percentage of foreigners in London either.

Its also easy to leap into conclusion based on statistically insignifcant numbers - especially when they are presented in nice tabular format.
For example of the 263 sex offences committed by foreigners in London between Jan to June 2007 the chinese committed none and hence?

[Clippy]

Another classic Troll post.

Nice technique you have going there

[Francko]

Even if it was 20% committing 20% that is not the point, we are stuck with our criminals, we have no duty to take in other people's and proper controls should ensure as far as possible that unsuitable people are not admitted.

The controls are there. However, since UK is part of EU you cannot stop people entering your country unless they pose a serious threat at an international level. Not sure that more control would somehow improve the situation. What can be useful though is a better cooperation among EU states police so that people can be tracked more easily from one country to another. I guess many people feel free to commit crime in UK because when they return to their countries there is no track of what they have done.

[xoggoth]

Even if it was 20% committing 20% that is not the point, we are stuck with our criminals, we have no duty to take in other people's and proper controls should ensure as far as possible that unsuitable people are not admitted.