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Previously on "Budget Day"

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  • Ketto
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    Originally posted by Protagoras View Post

    Yep, and it's also unfair on younger people who will miss out on the opportunity to build pensions as good as the generations above. It would have been simpler to reduce the £60k annual allowance.
    The £2k limit is insane. I just love it when governments offer incentives to behave in a certain way and then have a major crack down to stop the behaviour they have been encouraging.

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  • Protagoras
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    Originally posted by willendure View Post
    I wish, but we only have brollies because rule changes around IR35 mean that our clients sometimes force them on us, so I don't think the motivations for them to exist will change.
    I see three challenges for Brollies ...
    • JSL will increase supply chain nervousness
    • SalSac changes will make brolly engagement unattractive for workers
    • Changes to Worker's Rights
    I'm really uncertain that brollies will be around long term.

    Originally posted by willendure View Post
    It seems very unfair to apply this tax only to regular employees, not that I am complaining as an outside IR35 only contractor! It is also a tax on investment in the G7 country with the lowest rates of investment, so cannot possibly help the economy in the long run. Just a stupid socialist policy foot gun.
    Yep, and it's also unfair on younger people who will miss out on the opportunity to build pensions as good as the generations above. It would have been simpler to reduce the £60k annual allowance.

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  • NotAllThere
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    At Autumn Budget 2025, the government announced changes to voluntary National Insurance contributions for those living or working abroad.

    From 6 April 2026, individuals will no longer be able to pay voluntary Class 2 National Insurance contributions for periods abroad. Only voluntary Class 3 contributions will be available for tax years 2026 to 2027 onwards.

    This change does not affect any voluntary contributions that can be paid for periods abroad before 6 April 2026.

    Further details and guidance will be published at a later date.
    Darn. I'll have to pay class 3 now for a couple of years until my payments are full.

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  • jamesbrown
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    Originally posted by ittony View Post

    What about forgoing dividends for a tax advantage I wonder...?
    Er, how would that work? I suppose you have the tax advantage of not having dividend tax, but eventually you will have the tax disadvantage of having dividend tax or capital gains tax, which is higher (currently, and even more so in April 2026). In any case, SalSac isn't relevant to a company director who will receive employer contributions, which are unaffected (except in the edge case where a company has all contract income inside IR35, but that is exceptionally rare for, among other reasons, SalSac being available through an umbrella).

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  • ittony
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    Originally posted by jamesbrown View Post
    This is an anti-avoidance measure designed to prevent someone from foregoing salary for a tax advantage, except for a small list of approved purposes, such as a pension contribution (which will disappear in 2029, above a threshold amount)...
    What about forgoing dividends for a tax advantage I wonder...?

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  • willendure
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    Originally posted by Protagoras View Post
    Bye bye brollies.
    I wish, but we only have brollies because rule changes around IR35 mean that our clients sometimes force them on us, so I don't think the motivations for them to exist will change.

    But if one brollie provider offers tailored contracts that make pension contributions more efficient it would make them very attractive, so others would have to do the same. Provided the whole idea is legal.

    It seems very unfair to apply this tax only to regular employees, not that I am complaining as an outside IR35 only contractor! It is also a tax on investment in the G7 country with the lowest rates of investment, so cannot possibly help the economy in the long run. Just a stupid socialist policy foot gun.

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  • jamesbrown
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    Originally posted by willendure View Post

    For real? Can someone doing SalSac not switch things around and do it as an employer contribution instead? Obviously needs the employer to play along but in theory at least?
    Not easily because there are anti-avoidance rules on the tax side, with a narrow carve out for the existing SalSac arrangements that will disappear, and issues on the employment law side too w/r to contract variations, and that's assuming you have an employer that wants the same thing (perhaps more likely for an umbrella than a regular employer, but the hoops are probably too great - we'll see how it pans out, though, and it doesn't take effect until 2029, so there are several years where you can max out if not already maxed out).

    The other thing to bear in mind, as others have pointed out, is that 2029 is an election year and the next gov't may be promising very different things that are relevant to contractors and the scale of umbrella employment, such as IR35, among other things. Of course, there are promises and there is delivery.

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  • Protagoras
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    Originally posted by willendure View Post

    For real? Can someone doing SalSac not switch things around and do it as an employer contribution instead? Obviously needs the employer to play along but in theory at least?
    Apparently not, since this would fall foul of Operational Remuneration Agreement (OpRA) rules as per the post from jamesbrown above.
    Bye bye brollies.

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  • willendure
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    Originally posted by jamesbrown View Post
    So the pension changes are targeting SalSac only. Bad news for regular employees (inc. umbrella employees), but no changes to employer contributions more generally.
    For real? Can someone doing SalSac not switch things around and do it as an employer contribution instead? Obviously needs the employer to play along but in theory at least?

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  • Protagoras
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    Originally posted by jamesbrown View Post
    I'm sure there will be attempts. However, among other things, there is ITEPA Part 3 Ch. 2 69A, also known as the Operational Remuneration Agreement (OpRA) rules. Some background here:
    Thanks for sharing, I'd not come across this.
    I predict lots of private-sector retirements in 2029.

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  • jamesbrown
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    Originally posted by Protagoras View Post

    When this was first mentioned, I wondered what there is to stop a company having a range of employment contracts with different pension contributions and salary levels but not actually constituting SalSac.

    Many companies where I've worked have had workers on 'personal contracts' at senior levels and a general contract for others. Maybe pension contribution rate will become a differentiating criteria for selecting an employer or umbrella company (later there would presumably be a Pension Charge variant of the Loan Charge!)

    Of course, those with LtdCos can still pay whatever they want as pension contributions, so that the 'outside' contract becomes even more valuable.
    I'm sure there will be attempts. However, among other things, there is ITEPA Part 3 Ch. 2 69A, also known as the Operational Remuneration Agreement (OpRA) rules. Some background here:

    https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-man...anual/eim44010

    This is an anti-avoidance measure designed to prevent someone from foregoing salary for a tax advantage, except for a small list of approved purposes, such as a pension contribution (which will disappear in 2029, above a threshold amount). The effect is to apply the higher rate of tax that would otherwise have been due. Any conspiracy to circumvent the new SalSac rules will need to get around OpRA on the tax side, as well as any employment law implications.

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  • Ketto
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    Good that it is being delayed until 2029 at least, maybe it gets binned before then. Very weird thing to be implementing just as you are trying to get re-elected mind! Maybe it is a ruse to get the fiscal rules to add up now - in the hope that the sunlit uplands have started before 2029 and they can cancel it as part of an election campaign.
    Last edited by Ketto; Yesterday, 16:13.

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  • Protagoras
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    Originally posted by jamesbrown View Post

    There is a question about whether employers will be able to circumvent this, such as by changing contractual terms so that salary is not forgone (and employer contributions increased for a reduced contractual salary), but that isn't so easy as there are employment law and other considerations that would require broad agreement from the workforce (i.e., they cannot be decided per employee).
    When this was first mentioned, I wondered what there is to stop a company having a range of employment contracts with different pension contributions and salary levels but not actually constituting SalSac.

    Many companies where I've worked have had workers on 'personal contracts' at senior levels and a general contract for others. Maybe pension contribution rate will become a differentiating criteria for selecting an employer or umbrella company (later there would presumably be a Pension Charge variant of the Loan Charge!)

    Of course, those with LtdCos can still pay whatever they want as pension contributions, so that the 'outside' contract becomes even more valuable.

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  • milanbenes
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    Originally posted by jamesbrown View Post

    Is the "clear message" that owners of low-end Porsches for the mass affluent will be babied a little while longer?

    certainly looks that way lol

    we're in it together

    Milan.

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  • jamesbrown
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    Originally posted by BlueSharp View Post


    I allowed myself a slight smirk as I wrote it

    I still can't work out if my £20k employer contributions are now subject to NI from myCo. It appears that both Employer and Employee NI are being charged; if that's the case, it could be an extra £2000 NI bill.

    They are not. There are no changes to the taxation of employer contributions more generally - the budget speech was explicit about that. I believe I said this to you before, but SalSac is a very precise type of arrangement whereby salary is foregone for an increased pension contribution and that costs the Treasury a lot more than traditional employer contributions, which are not taken from foregone income. This is why it was targeted.

    There is a question about whether employers will be able to circumvent this, such as by changing contractual terms so that salary is not forgone (and employer contributions increased for a reduced contractual salary), but that isn't so easy as there are employment law and other considerations that would require broad agreement from the workforce (i.e., they cannot be decided per employee).

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