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  • Zigenare
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    Originally posted by vetran View Post

    Sadly true but it is true that in the many millennia of slavery where the British were not involved reparations are not forthcoming.

    To achieve the abolition of the legal trade of Slavery in the UK and the Empire the Government decided to pay the slave owners for their property. Whilst this seems abhorrent nowadays it was the only sensible way to achieve the aim.

    We still deal with IBM, VW & IG Farben should we not break them up and give reparations for the holocaust?

    Lets make the Catholic churches pay for the inquisition.

    Maybe we should split up the Emirates and split the cash between Cornish people and the Nubians?

    Can we invoice the Vikings and the Normans for a bit of pillaging?
    What you are forgetting is that white western people are deemed a soft target. Riot and throw statues into the harbour, slap on the wrist. Riot and feel the kind of despair that only looting a new TV or a pair of trainers will salve, slap on the wrist.

    If people truly feel that reparations are the only answer then fine. Pay 'em and ship 'em to their original homes in Africa - that would be restorative after all.

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  • vetran
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    Originally posted by ladymuck View Post

    My understanding was that the slave owners were compensated for the loss of their property but very little help was given to the slaves themselves to help repair/restart their lives.
    Sadly true but it is true that in the many millennia of slavery where the British were not involved reparations are not forthcoming.

    To achieve the abolition of the legal trade of Slavery in the UK and the Empire the Government decided to pay the slave owners for their property. Whilst this seems abhorrent nowadays it was the only sensible way to achieve the aim.

    We still deal with IBM, VW & IG Farben should we not break them up and give reparations for the holocaust?

    Lets make the Catholic churches pay for the inquisition.

    Maybe we should split up the Emirates and split the cash between Cornish people and the Nubians?

    Can we invoice the Vikings and the Normans for a bit of pillaging?

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  • malvolio
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    Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post

    But freeing them was a pretty good start.
    Agreed. But while the West Indies weren't too badly off, most of the freed slaves in the deep south had to go and work for the previous owners or starve. It was over a hundred years before Rosa Parkes and others were able to make a stand, and a lot longer before any hint of true emancipation took hold.

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  • NotAllThere
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    Originally posted by ladymuck View Post

    My understanding was that the slave owners were compensated for the loss of their property but very little help was given to the slaves themselves to help repair/restart their lives.
    But freeing them was a pretty good start.

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  • ladymuck
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    Originally posted by vetran View Post

    We finished paying off eventually in 2015 the £20 million (some estimates £300 million in todays terms) that we borrowed to abolish slavery , this money was spent to purchase the liberty of legally purchased slaves as part of the abolition process. Obviously that is considered wrong by modern descendants we should have left them as slaves? It was the only way we could finish this vile trade we got caught up in.

    If you add the fact that the slaves were purchased at market rates from African dealers rather than seized like the Romans or Barbary pirates it makes compensation a little tricky, do we deduct the £5 a head we paid for them at current value before we start the calculation or do we direct them to their African kings?

    Do we deduct international aid?

    Maybe they can ask the Arabs & Portuguese to set a valid value per head first after all there were so many more that went to those countries?

    If only these people desperate for a payout turned their wrath towards contemporary slavery still happening in many countries.
    My understanding was that the slave owners were compensated for the loss of their property but very little help was given to the slaves themselves to help repair/restart their lives.

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  • Zigenare
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    Originally posted by vetran View Post

    should be fun. Do we get compensation for Rourke's Drift?
    "Rorke's Drift" - #JS

    Bloody Welsh and their cultural appropriation!

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  • vetran
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    Originally posted by SueEllen View Post

    The King and those bar stewards can pay it.
    should be fun. Do we get compensation for Rourke's Drift?

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  • vetran
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    Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
    I shall consider paying compensation for historical wrongs... nah. Not paying it.

    Apparently, the initial abolotion of slavery act cost Britain 40% of it's annual budget. In today's terms thats £168,000 million.
    We finished paying off eventually in 2015 the £20 million (some estimates £300 million in todays terms) that we borrowed to abolish slavery , this money was spent to purchase the liberty of legally purchased slaves as part of the abolition process. Obviously that is considered wrong by modern descendants we should have left them as slaves? It was the only way we could finish this vile trade we got caught up in.

    If you add the fact that the slaves were purchased at market rates from African dealers rather than seized like the Romans or Barbary pirates it makes compensation a little tricky, do we deduct the £5 a head we paid for them at current value before we start the calculation or do we direct them to their African kings?

    Do we deduct international aid?

    Maybe they can ask the Arabs & Portuguese to set a valid value per head first after all there were so many more that went to those countries?

    If only these people desperate for a payout turned their wrath towards contemporary slavery still happening in many countries.

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  • SueEllen
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    Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
    I shall consider paying compensation for historical wrongs... nah. Not paying it.
    .
    The King and those bar stewards can pay it.

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  • NotAllThere
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    I shall consider paying compensation for historical wrongs... nah. Not paying it.

    Apparently, the initial abolotion of slavery act cost Britain 40% of it's annual budget. In today's terms thats £168,000 million.

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  • SueEllen
    started a topic Look at me...

    Look at me...

    The Trevelyans have finally recognised their ancestors screwed over - well killed - the Irish.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...aura-trevelyan


    The former BBC journalist Laura Trevelyan has said her family would consider paying compensation to Ireland because of an ancestor’s role in the Great Famine of the 19th century.
    Her great-great-great-grandfather Sir Charles Trevelyan, a senior British government official, was among those who “failed their people” during the humanitarian catastrophe in the 1840s, she said.

    Trevelyan’s comment opened a potential new front in her campaign for restorative justice, which so far has focused on the slave trade. The former BBC correspondent quit the corporation to campaign full-time and in February travelled with relatives to Grenada to apologise and offer £100,000 in reparations for the family’s “ownership” of 1,000 enslaved people on the Caribbean island.

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