Reply to: How are you celebrating International Womens Day?

[darmstadt]

I'll bite.

That might have been true first time round. Said white woman has lost her job, has been publicly shamed, come forward to apologies and be educated in the public eye. Incident is closed.

But that was then, the situation is now. The black woman has had someone sacked, received grovelling apologies all round and has had her (more than) 15 minutes of fame. She's now milking it by overtly dressing in a way that arguably caused the confusion in the first place and complaining she deserves more. Sympathy has gone and there is just no need.

Said white woman is now back performing royal duties though and said black woman has been harassed to the point that she has had to step back from her job. Who won?

[NotAllThere]

I know you don't buy women's clothing ...

Do really know that?

[NotAllThere]

No I'm talking about real living people.

There are people in or off Jamaica descent who are ginger and black. (There are others.)

Like this cutie

[Zigenare]

While you may fit into the Ginger Club, unfortunately unless you have brown skin you don't fit into their club.

I suppose you could do a Nkechi Amare Diallo......

Don't you try and oppress me! I can identify as a black ginger if I want!

[SueEllen]

ok so the african inspired clothes were a tweed suit?

She was wearing a cardigan. An item of clothing named after....

Also there are groups of black people like the Congolese Dandies who put their own twist on common Western clothing and fabrics.

oh I hope the lady at the bus stop was hung drawn & quartered for cultural appropriation.

Why should she be? I know you don't buy women's clothing but you can get such clothes from mainstream retailers.

[vetran]

You do talk tulip.

She wasn't dressed in national dress.

She was wearing clothing with afro-centric patterns.

The day after it all kicked off I went to a bus stop and a woman I was standing next to was wearing similar patterned clothing. This woman was white.

ok so the african inspired clothes were a tweed suit?

oh I hope the lady at the bus stop was hung drawn & quartered for cultural appropriation.

[SueEllen]

There are indeed. I identify as one. I'm white and as far as I know there isn't any black blood in the family going back umpteen generations - however I'm hung like a donkey and can go all night so if those informational documentaries on pornhub are anything to go by then I must be black.

While you may fit into the Ginger Club, unfortunately unless you have brown skin you don't fit into their club.

I suppose you could do a Nkechi Amare Diallo......

[SueEllen]

The lady was dressed in national dress and then was horrified when an elderly lady enquired which nationality and she was repeatedly called the elderly lady a racist.

You do talk tulip.

She wasn't dressed in national dress.

She was wearing clothing with afro-centric patterns.

The day after it all kicked off I went to a bus stop and a woman I was standing next to was wearing similar patterned clothing. This woman was white.

[Zigenare]

No I'm talking about real living people.

There are people in or off Jamaica descent who are ginger and black. (There are others.)

There are indeed. I identify as one. I'm white and as far as I know there isn't any black blood in the family going back umpteen generations - however I'm hung like a donkey and can go all night so if those informational documentaries on pornhub are anything to go by then I must be black.

[vetran]

For one thing, they are nowhere nearly as badly abused on a systemic level in the UK. They get generic "oh you're not white" abuse and unpleasant comedy stereotypes (Chinese especially) but you don't for instance see the equivalent of monkey chants and people throwing bananas at football games.
For another, you're talking rubbish that they "just get on with it". There are plenty of anti-racism groups and activists for those groups.

But I don't know why I bother, any argument about black people we know which side you'll be on. Apparently now they don't have the same "stiff upper lip" as Asians or they'd put up with the racism better. Because that's the problem - not the racism but the uppity blacks who are cross about it.

The lady was dressed in national dress and then was horrified when an elderly lady enquired which nationality and she was repeatedly called the elderly lady a racist.

The Indian's I know who have been interviewed when dressed in cultural dress would have been pleased she cared to ask, and say oh my mum is from X province and my Father from Y province but they came over here in he 60s and I was born in Berkshire. I have seen that conversation playout a number of times perfectly happily. Most people are proud to discuss their heritage.

Its no more racist than asking about my accent which crosses a number of counties. If someone was in a Kilt and you met them in Swindon would you ask what tartan the were wearing and hence their clan and the area of Scotland their family came from then should they complain about racism because you asked what part of Scotland they associated themselves with despite being born in Kent?

[SueEllen]

Like Hermione Granger?

No I'm talking about real living people.

There are people in or off Jamaica descent who are ginger and black. (There are others.)

[d000hg]

AND black.

Like Hermione Granger?

[d000hg]

Odd the south asian, asian and other cultures skin colours weren't ignored by the racists yet they seem to get on with it?

For one thing, they are nowhere nearly as badly abused on a systemic level in the UK. They get generic "oh you're not white" abuse and unpleasant comedy stereotypes (Chinese especially) but you don't for instance see the equivalent of monkey chants and people throwing bananas at football games.
For another, you're talking rubbish that they "just get on with it". There are plenty of anti-racism groups and activists for those groups.

But I don't know why I bother, any argument about black people we know which side you'll be on. Apparently now they don't have the same "stiff upper lip" as Asians or they'd put up with the racism better. Because that's the problem - not the racism but the uppity blacks who are cross about it.

[SueEllen]

Could be worse, she could be a Ginger!

AND black.

[vetran]

Well I suppose you haven't grown up being racially abused, which presumably leads to quite strong feelings.

Odd the south asian, asian and other cultures skin colours weren't ignored by the racists yet they seem to get on with it?

Princess Kate for instance crossed the odd belief (to us westerners) that touching the hand of a woman you aren't related to is a sin the chap dealt with it very well and hasn't pointed is nose up at her.