Reply to: Our Father\Mother\Parent (delete as appropiate) who art in heaven?

[vetran]

We did sex ed in junior school.

well that puts you a lot younger than me. We started in secondary school and it was still shocking.

[SueEllen]

Your infant school obviously had advanced sex education covering genetics. We had to wait for secondary school to learn about what happens.

Nah me and a mate worked it out together as we were both working out how to convince our parents to stop making us go to Sunday school. In the end what worked with me was pointing out how some of the elders were hypocrites. (Though obviously I didn't use that language.)

We did sex ed in junior school.

[vetran]

Yeah I worked that out in infant school.

Blond person who worked as a carpenter in the sun in the Middle East.....

Your infant school obviously had advanced sex education covering genetics. We had to wait for secondary school to learn about what happens.

[SueEllen]

don't worry thanks to Sunday school I know Jesus wasn't Joseph's. Its obvious he wasn't white despite all the European art.

Yeah I worked that out in infant school.

Blond person who worked as a carpenter in the sun in the Middle East.....

[vetran]

Wait until all these people moaning about it find out that Jesus was probably very dark skinned and a liberal and was born out of wedlock

don't worry thanks to Sunday school I know Jesus wasn't Joseph's. Its obvious he wasn't white despite all the European art.

Seems that they were married (at 14 so Mary was a late bloomer 5 years after Islam)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marria...ewish%20custom.

[darmstadt]

Wait until all these people moaning about it find out that Jesus was probably very dark skinned and a liberal and was born out of wedlock

[vetran]

Look what white men did to Christianity...
For did not John Bale write: “For on a time when a Cardinall Bembus did move a question out of the Gospell, the Pope gave him a very contemptuous answer saying: ‘All ages can testifie enough howe profitable that fable of Christe hath ben to us and our companie.’”

oops he slipped up.

[vetran]

Nah he was black - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...herts-53246221

(Unlike this effort there is actually a church in Oxford with very old stained glass windows which shows a black Jesus plus black and brown saints.)

made I larf

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3958241.stm

As light-hearted evidence that Jesus was black, it adds that he "called everybody 'brother', liked Gospel, and couldn't get a fair trial".

the following makes sense.

"The hair was the easiest - there's a reference in Paul which says it's disgraceful for a man to wear long hair, so it looks pretty sure that people of that period had to have reasonably short hair. The traditional depictions of Jesus with long flowing golden hair are probably inaccurate."

Deciding on skin colour was more difficult, though. But the earliest depictions of Jews, which date from the 3rd Century, are - as far as can be determined - dark-skinned.

"We do seem to have a relatively dark skinned Jesus. In contemporary parlance I think the safest thing is to talk about Jesus as 'a man of colour'." This probably means olive-coloured, he says.

[Zigenare]

I was having a discussion with a friend who is of recent African extraction, religion was mentioned and he described Christianity as "the white mans god" and I went "what?" it was across Africa 450 years before Europe

Look what white men did to Christianity...
For did not John Bale write: “For on a time when a Cardinall Bembus did move a question out of the Gospell, the Pope gave him a very contemptuous answer saying: ‘All ages can testifie enough howe profitable that fable of Christe hath ben to us and our companie.’”

[SueEllen]

Still white though surely he would be light brown (olive) being Jewish brought up in the area?

Nah he was black - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...herts-53246221

(Unlike this effort there is actually a church in Oxford with very old stained glass windows which shows a black Jesus plus black and brown saints.)

[vetran]

I was having a discussion with a friend who is of recent African extraction, religion was mentioned and he described Christianity as "the white mans god" and I went "what?" it was across Africa 450 years before Europe

[xoggoth]

Look at Leonardo's painting and John looks very trans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Supper_(Leonardo)

PS And only Judas looks dark skinned. Racist!

[vetran]

The real question is was the production any good?

It's a piece of theatre like pantos, and pantos gender bend.

Totally agree if the production is still great with the cast trying to make a point. I enjoyed some of the songs in six but there is plenty of artistic license going on.

to be fair Jesus Christ Superstar has been bleeding edge for years. Jason Donovan had the lead he is hardly rufti tufti.

[vetran]

Baptistry of Neon - Apostles mosaic - Baptistery of Neon - Wikipedia
Arian Baptistry ceiling mosaic - Ravenna - Arian Baptistery - Wikipedia

Well these very early depictions of Christ show a androgynous figure that could well be trans.

Still white though surely he would be light brown (olive) being Jewish brought up in the area?

[SueEllen]

Something like this perhaps. https://www.joe.co.uk/entertainment/...e-judas-375546

The real question is was the production any good?

It's a piece of theatre like pantos, and pantos gender bend.