Reply to: Tories Vote to Retain Corruption

[malvolio]

But you’ll still support right wing politicians, no matter what.

You support left wing ones. They are no less corrupt and are demonstrably less capable of running the economy. So what makes your position so superior?

[WTFH]

No I'm not excusing anything. Read what I said properly.

But you’ll still support right wing politicians, no matter what.

[malvolio]

But you are excusing it, and you are doing it by deflection and using 'what aboutisums'. Every time corruption issues are raised on this forum and elsewhere, the forelock tugging Tory voters will deflect the argument to something or someone else. It is the likes of you who voted Tory knowing full well their history or nepotism and corruption have caused nit to continue.

No I'm not excusing anything. Read what I said properly.

[Paddy]

I'm not excusing it, in any way, shape or form. It is staggeringly incompetent.. All I've been doing is pointing out how such things came to happen.. In other words, it's having idiots in charge rather than deliberate malpractice.

For example, we had a publicly funded (about £5bn a year) Public Health Executive who were charged with having plans in place to deal with unseen medical emergencies and resources defined to support those plans. They failed dismally on both counts and were disbanded - only to be replaced by the same people in a new body with much the same remit. That's not necessarily jobs for the boys in the way you mean it but a hiring process that ignores previous failures and actively appoints people with experience in the role regardless of their success. Hence recent advice form the new body on what to do in cold weather, such as "Heat the room you're in and close the windows"...

We suffer a lot more from sheer incompetence in our national government than we do from corruption - that is only significant at the more local levels...

You can't have a debate on any subject if the only response you have is "it's crap, we need to throw it all away". OK, but some idea of what to replace it with wouldn't go amiss..

And, just as an aside, what is £4bn as a percentage of £2.6tn ?

But you are excusing it, and you are doing it by deflection and using 'what aboutisums'. Every time corruption issues are raised on this forum and elsewhere, the forelock tugging Tory voters will deflect the argument to something or someone else. It is the likes of you who voted Tory knowing full well their history or nepotism and corruption have caused nit to continue.

[malvolio]

I have to jump in here. I think most people will read your post and think you're now at the stage of embarrassing yourself, once again. When you don't like something you jump to moaning about "the left", despite the fact we've not had a "left" government in many decades. Most sensible people would not jump to the "unknown virus" rhetoric for £4billion worth of junk PPE. It's a staggering monetary figure. Basic aprons weren't up to scratch, masks were fake uncertified Chinese junk.

You can throw anything into the ring if rushing to acquire PPE, but these companies were recently set up specifically to try rush this known uncertified PPE into the NHS and the stuff just wasn't usable as it wouldn't have provided any safety and wouldn't have fulfilled the task required. Basic checks would have stopped funneling of cash to recently formed companies with relations to Tory MPs and people who are directly related to them or friends of theirs.

4 x £100,000,000 to be burnt. That's madness, sorry. Your regular excusing of such behavior and minimising how unacceptable this is, in a supposed modern democracy, is beyond reproach. Excluding politics, it is obviously a form of corruption and the Tories are factually trying to absolve the people targeted of blame or wrongdoing. It's wrong on many levels to ignore or minimise this level of corruption.

The VIP lane was a chance to exploit, once again, the public purse to provide to MPs, their relatives and friends. It should not be possible to do this, given the majority of kit bought was worthless and is no different to MF going on ebay and selling his fake tat wares to anybody else, except in these VIP lane cases the number of middlemen was high and each creamed money off it. Mone has been targeted as the main example, but there are plenty of other hundreds of millions that remain to be examined.

I'm not excusing it, in any way, shape or form. It is staggeringly incompetent.. All I've been doing is pointing out how such things came to happen.. In other words, it's having idiots in charge rather than deliberate malpractice.

For example, we had a publicly funded (about £5bn a year) Public Health Executive who were charged with having plans in place to deal with unseen medical emergencies and resources defined to support those plans. They failed dismally on both counts and were disbanded - only to be replaced by the same people in a new body with much the same remit. That's not necessarily jobs for the boys in the way you mean it but a hiring process that ignores previous failures and actively appoints people with experience in the role regardless of their success. Hence recent advice form the new body on what to do in cold weather, such as "Heat the room you're in and close the windows"...

We suffer a lot more from sheer incompetence in our national government than we do from corruption - that is only significant at the more local levels...

You can't have a debate on any subject if the only response you have is "it's crap, we need to throw it all away". OK, but some idea of what to replace it with wouldn't go amiss..

And, just as an aside, what is £4bn as a percentage of £2.6tn ?

[_V_]

I have to jump in here. I think most people will read your post and think you're now at the stage of embarrassing yourself, once again. When you don't like something you jump to moaning about "the left", despite the fact we've not had a "left" government in many decades. Most sensible people would not jump to the "unknown virus" rhetoric for £4billion worth of junk PPE. It's a staggering monetary figure. Basic aprons weren't up to scratch, masks were fake uncertified Chinese junk.

You can throw anything into the ring if rushing to acquire PPE, but these companies were recently set up specifically to try rush this known uncertified PPE into the NHS and the stuff just wasn't usable as it wouldn't have provided any safety and wouldn't have fulfilled the task required. Basic checks would have stopped funneling of cash to recently formed companies with relations to Tory MPs and people who are directly related to them or friends of theirs.

4 x £100,000,000 to be burnt. That's madness, sorry. Your regular excusing of such behavior and minimising how unacceptable this is, in a supposed modern democracy, is beyond reproach. Excluding politics, it is obviously a form of corruption and the Tories are factually trying to absolve the people targeted of blame or wrongdoing. It's wrong on many levels to ignore or minimise this level of corruption.

The VIP lane was a chance to exploit, once again, the public purse to provide to MPs, their relatives and friends. It should not be possible to do this, given the majority of kit bought was worthless and is no different to MF going on ebay and selling his fake tat wares to anybody else, except in these VIP lane cases the number of middlemen was high and each creamed money off it. Mone has been targeted as the main example, but there are plenty of other hundreds of millions that remain to be examined.

This has also been proven in the high courts, where the Tory govt have been found guilty of corruption and mis management of public funds to benefit private individuals to astronomical sums. However, there is no "govt police" that can arrest them, they are effectively mafia in control of our finances. In other countries the Tories would have been publicly executed. More than ever this country needs an uprising and soon.

[agentzero]

Do you really understand the impact of an unknown virus with an unknown payload on a government comprised of people with no knowledge of anything outside politics (they probably think PPE is a university degree course) and the panic that must have ensued. And that steps are now being taken to look into those deals and quite possibly recover some of the monies spent where possible. Or that the costs, while quite large, are actually fairly small in terms of our national spend. And that the Grauniad's entire approach is to denigrate anyone and anything that doesn't emanate from the Islington left wing collective?

Or perhaps we're all a bit tired of the _V_ Chicken Little tribute act.

I have to jump in here. I think most people will read your post and think you're now at the stage of embarrassing yourself, once again. When you don't like something you jump to moaning about "the left", despite the fact we've not had a "left" government in many decades. Most sensible people would not jump to the "unknown virus" rhetoric for £4billion worth of junk PPE. It's a staggering monetary figure. Basic aprons weren't up to scratch, masks were fake uncertified Chinese junk.

You can throw anything into the ring if rushing to acquire PPE, but these companies were recently set up specifically to try rush this known uncertified PPE into the NHS and the stuff just wasn't usable as it wouldn't have provided any safety and wouldn't have fulfilled the task required. Basic checks would have stopped funneling of cash to recently formed companies with relations to Tory MPs and people who are directly related to them or friends of theirs.

4 x £100,000,000 to be burnt. That's madness, sorry. Your regular excusing of such behavior and minimising how unacceptable this is, in a supposed modern democracy, is beyond reproach. Excluding politics, it is obviously a form of corruption and the Tories are factually trying to absolve the people targeted of blame or wrongdoing. It's wrong on many levels to ignore or minimise this level of corruption.

The VIP lane was a chance to exploit, once again, the public purse to provide to MPs, their relatives and friends. It should not be possible to do this, given the majority of kit bought was worthless and is no different to MF going on ebay and selling his fake tat wares to anybody else, except in these VIP lane cases the number of middlemen was high and each creamed money off it. Mone has been targeted as the main example, but there are plenty of other hundreds of millions that remain to be examined.

[WTFH]

As Lady Mone has stepped away from the HoL for a while to allow her to hide/defend her offshore funds, my mind goes back to 2020…

Oh FU....
Anthony Page.

That brings us to:
DEC ALLAN MEDIA LIMITED
...and for those who don't know the name of Douglas Barrowman's step son, it's Declan.

...and for those who don't know who Arthur Lancaster and Douglas Barrowman and Anthony Page are, think SmartPay, Aston Management, AML, Knox House Trust, etc.

I suspect we'll end up with Carengie Knox being involved. (They are in Aberdeen, a bit like... NEO SPACE (ABERDEEN) LIMITED )

[darmstadt]

Apparently she's selling a property which belongs to her as much as she's got nothing to do with PPE extortion:

Bra baroness Michelle Mone's six-bedroom Belgravia townhouse is up for sale for £20m | Daily Mail Online

[WTFH]

Do you understand why you are paying more and more taxes to fund the theft of public money into Tory pockets?

https://committees.parliament.uk/com...enerate-power/

£4 billion of unusable PPE bought in first year of pandemic will be burnt “to generate power”

Burning through your tax payments, but hey it will light a lightbulb somewhere and cover the cost of a few mansions overseas

Except the power generation is done by a private company (I wonder who owns them?) who will have charged the NHS a disposal fee, and will generate the electricity while getting all that extra money from UK users because the government’s idea of a price cap on it’s mates profits is to set a level high enough that they can all pay out to their boards, shareholders and any parties they might support.

[SueEllen]

Tory MPs are starting to abandon ship...

Bye bye morph!

[malvolio]

Do you understand why you are paying more and more taxes to fund the theft of public money into Tory pockets?

https://committees.parliament.uk/com...enerate-power/

£4 billion of unusable PPE bought in first year of pandemic will be burnt “to generate power”

Burning through your tax payments, but hey it will light a lightbulb somewhere and cover the cost of a few mansions overseas

Do you really understand the impact of an unknown virus with an unknown payload on a government comprised of people with no knowledge of anything outside politics (they probably think PPE is a university degree course) and the panic that must have ensued. And that steps are now being taken to look into those deals and quite possibly recover some of the monies spent where possible. Or that the costs, while quite large, are actually fairly small in terms of our national spend. And that the Grauniad's entire approach is to denigrate anyone and anything that doesn't emanate from the Islington left wing collective?

Or perhaps we're all a bit tired of the _V_ Chicken Little tribute act.

[_V_]

Do you understand how insane you sound when you post rubbish like that? You really must be foaming at the mouth.

Do you understand why you are paying more and more taxes to fund the theft of public money into Tory pockets?

https://committees.parliament.uk/com...enerate-power/

£4 billion of unusable PPE bought in first year of pandemic will be burnt “to generate power”

Burning through your tax payments, but hey it will light a lightbulb somewhere and cover the cost of a few mansions overseas

[malvolio]

Who do you rely on for your sources, seeing as how Ultimo ceased trading in the UK in 2018 ?

The BBC.

[Zigenare]

There can be no prosecutions, Tory scum are above the law, they create the law, they are untouchables.

Do you understand how insane you sound when you post rubbish like that? You really must be foaming at the mouth.