Reply to: You really have to laugh....

[Zigenare]

Somewhat altered by population levels too...

I was thinking about the "Ideal" seperation agreement. I think what Canada has with the USA would work well if Scotland became independent. More of less same language, two completely different systems.

Think more "Quebec" and the rest of Canada...

[Lost It]

Somewhat altered by population levels too...

I was thinking about the "Ideal" seperation agreement. I think what Canada has with the USA would work well if Scotland became independent. More of less same language, two completely different systems.

[malvolio]

Figures I quoted came from ONS via a UK government website, so it's not me that can't count. Maybe go back to polishing your rifle or something.

OK, but perhaps you need to better understand the meaning of child poverty. It's measured against the median income of the country, so bare numbers don't tell the whole story. Wales's is crap because there's not a lot of wealthy people there, England is higher than Scotland because its median income is probably double that of Scotland.

Incidentally, quoting NHS numbers is meaningless, that £152bn a year is very badly spent across the whole UK and outcomes are pretty much level. Also, the life expectancy of a male in Glasgow is lower than that of several African countries. Go figure.

[Zigenare]

Figures I quoted came from ONS via a UK government website, so it's not me that can't count. Maybe go back to polishing your rifle or something.

Of course they did - it's customary to publish ones source.

It is said that when one resorts to insults then the the argument is lost. You lost yours in 2014.

[TestMangler]

You can't count. According to https://cpag.org.uk/scotland/child-poverty/facts

Figures I quoted came from ONS via a UK government website, so it's not me that can't count. Maybe go back to polishing your rifle or something.

[Zigenare]

Percentage of children in poverty, 2019/20, by country:

• UK – 27%
• Wales – 34%
• England – 29%
• Scotland – 21%
• Northern Ireland – 24%

Me thinks you listen to English cabinet members who spout this 'fix your failing xxxxxx' in response to any questions from Scottish MPs. If the performance at a UK level could prove it delivered a better NHS etc by the track record of the Tory Govt, I'd vote for them, but it's a proven fact that they can't. Scottish NHS outperforms England and Wales by most published statistics. You think the SNP are failing Scotland ? The tories are failing the english electorate way worse.

You can't count. According to https://cpag.org.uk/scotland/child-poverty/facts

[TestMangler]

A party that has failed with education, health, drug problems, poverty, crime, any other thing you care to mantion that has only one trick, a new "referendum" makes me shudder.
They are a one trick pony that has not managed to make anything "better" for Scotland since they got in, they are good at spending money, not so good on getting quality products with what they are spending.
Frankly if they do have one and they win it I hope the rest of the UK shuts everything off that goes into the coffers in Scotland. Re route the oil lines to Hull like they did with the gas pipes. Take everything that the UK has away.

And I'm part Scots on my dad's side....

Let them be "independent" with a new currency, the Bank of Scotland and no income whatsoever from the UK. And put a sodding border up.

Percentage of children in poverty, 2019/20, by country:

• UK – 27%
• Wales – 34%
• England – 29%
• Scotland – 21%
• Northern Ireland – 24%

Me thinks you listen to English cabinet members who spout this 'fix your failing xxxxxx' in response to any questions from Scottish MPs. If the performance at a UK level could prove it delivered a better NHS etc by the track record of the Tory Govt, I'd vote for them, but it's a proven fact that they can't. Scottish NHS outperforms England and Wales by most published statistics. You think the SNP are failing Scotland ? The tories are failing the english electorate way worse.

[Zigenare]

No, if you've been on this forum much at all, you'll know easily enough where Mal's political leanings lie and Dhoog is the same. Zigenare would vote N.A. if he was allowed to.

Nope, I along with probably most of England would vote for your independence. It would be yet another case of the English fixing Scotland's problems for them.

[Lost It]

A party that has failed with education, health, drug problems, poverty, crime, any other thing you care to mantion that has only one trick, a new "referendum" makes me shudder.
They are a one trick pony that has not managed to make anything "better" for Scotland since they got in, they are good at spending money, not so good on getting quality products with what they are spending.
Frankly if they do have one and they win it I hope the rest of the UK shuts everything off that goes into the coffers in Scotland. Re route the oil lines to Hull like they did with the gas pipes. Take everything that the UK has away.

And I'm part Scots on my dad's side....

Let them be "independent" with a new currency, the Bank of Scotland and no income whatsoever from the UK. And put a sodding border up.

[vetran]

Just wondering...

If the Westminster Govt persists (for years) denying Scots another referendum is it likely to harden attitudes and make the vote, when it eventually happens, more likely to go in favour of leaving?

turn up with a sensible proposition the government will probably approve it. I want to be independent but I keep the open chequebook isn't sensible.

[DealorNoDeal]

Just wondering...

If the Westminster Govt persists (for years) denying Scots another referendum is it likely to harden attitudes and make the vote, when it eventually happens, more likely to go in favour of leaving?

[TestMangler]

"In the week before the referendum, both sides said that they would abide by the result." - Alex Salmond of course muttered under his breath "unless we lose", with his fingers crossed.

You don't half talk some tulipe. I know you find this difficult to comprehend, but there is a pro-independence majority in Holyrood and huge pro independence majority of Scottish MP's in Westminster. See when there isn't, then there is no mandate.

[TestMangler]

What part of the once in a generation scottish independence referendum was held in 2014 do you also not understand?

Did I miss the bit where anyone said they were a Tory voter? Or is this just simplistic pigeonholing, i.e. "you're daring to question something I believe in, so you must be one of the enemy"?

No, if you've been on this forum much at all, you'll know easily enough where Mal's political leanings lie and Dhoog is the same. Zigenare would vote N.A. if he was allowed to.

[Zigenare]

There he goes, same dumb c**t argument from the same dumb c**t. There was nothing in any of the settlement agreement for the referendum signed by Salmond and Cameron that stated it was once in a generation. It was a line used by Salmond in a TV interview. The same way BoJo stated on TV and at a meeting that there would be no customs border between Britain and NI. Is your argument that only things said in TV interviews by Scots are legally binding ?

For info, by the way, the UK Govt definition of a generation , as set out in the NI devolved settlement, is 7 years.

"In the week before the referendum, both sides said that they would abide by the result." - Alex Salmond of course muttered under his breath "unless we lose", with his fingers crossed.

[ladymuck]

My understanding with the Scottish problem is that there is little love for the SNP but there is much interest in independence. So, should independence be gained, there is a hope / expectation that the SNP will self-implode and then a more competent government can take over and actually deliver it. The only reason people hold their noses and vote SNP is because they are the only party who will push for it. To get them out of power, they either need to win a referendum or the Scottish need to turn their backs on independence.