Reply to: DOOM: Plan B

[mattster]

They aren't even real cases. At my daughter's school, a lot of the kids are faking a positive result using orange juice or Ribena so they can bunk off.

At the local primary kids with the sniffles are being tested by their hypochondriac mums.

I doubt primary school kids are gaming anything, possibly some of the older secondary but they are mostly at least single jabbed now.

Our school is telling us we have to do 2x LFTs a week, which we do for the most part. No positives in our household yet, but plenty around the place - many of which only came from PCR after -ve LFT (up to 50% false neg). Only a matter of time for us, I guess, although my suspicion is that my kids have actually had it and we missed it on the tests since they were sniffling at the same time as a lot of their classes were off with it.

[d000hg]

How would they ever know if you leave your mobby at home or don't install the ridiculous test & trace app?

You realise that track and trace is still ongoing - notifying of close contacts the old fashioned way.
Are you saying that "getting found out" is the only reason you'd isolate?

[SueEllen]

They aren't even real cases. At my daughter's school, a lot of the kids are faking a positive result using orange juice or Ribena so they can bunk off.

At the local primary kids with the sniffles are being tested by their hypochondriac mums.

The kids I know who have and have had it definitely don't have hypochondriac mums. They are forced to do a PCR as they live with or have regular contact with vulnerable and/or elderly people so don't want to kill a parent, grandparent or other elderly relative.

[TwoWolves]

Many of the unvaccinated catching Covid are school children.

They aren't currently allowed a vaccine even if they want one.

They aren't even real cases. At my daughter's school, a lot of the kids are faking a positive result using orange juice or Ribena so they can bunk off.

At the local primary kids with the sniffles are being tested by their hypochondriac mums.

[OwlHoot]

Unless I'm wrong, (and as usual it wasn't made absolutely clear) it looks like you will need to do the full 2 weeks in isolation if you're identified as a contact of someone with Omicron, even if you're fully vaccinated. If this is the case, it's a f**king huge deal. You can go out as much as you like, but you risk personal lockdown if you come into contact with an unvaccinated git.

How would they ever know if you leave your mobby at home or don't install the ridiculous test & trace app?

[d000hg]

It is mandatory vaccination by the back door.

Disagree. Going to a nightclub or a football match or a large music gig isn't a basic human freedom. I am jabbed but not in favour of VPs so I may choose not to attend such things on principle.

Likewise, airlines are very strict on masks. You may choose to decide you're just not going to fly if you hate masks. That is your choice. Freedom does not simply mean "I can do whatever I want whenever I want" it sometimes means choosing not to do things where you are uncomfortable.

[d000hg]

Unless I'm wrong, (and as usual it wasn't made absolutely clear) it looks like you will need to do the full 2 weeks in isolation if you're identified as a contact of someone with Omicron, even if you're fully vaccinated.

Thanks for pointing this out, I think you are right but it's actually worse... it's if you MIGHT have been exposed to Omicron. Since most PCR tests don't tell you, that's a total ****-show. As Omicron becomes the prevalent variant, everyone has to assume that's the one they're exposed to.

I'm not sure this is technically part of plan B but either way, ugh.

[xoggoth]

Would be easier if the symptoms of Covid were like those of the Black Death. Wouldn't need all these tests, they would just check your armpits for buboes.

[mattster]

- NHS Covid pass mandatory for large venues obtainable still with 2 doses or negative LFT starts next Thursday

This part is such a waste of time and likely counterproductive. Totally unenforceable, since anyone can game an LFT result, which in any case have up to 50% false negativity. We have football season tickets, so all this will do is hold everyone in a tightly packed crowd outside whilst vaccine passes are checked on entry, and throughout the whole thing we will be surrounded by under 12 super spreaders who can't get vaccinated even if they want to.

[SueEllen]

Unless I'm wrong, (and as usual it wasn't made absolutely clear) it looks like you will need to do the full 2 weeks in isolation if you're identified as a contact of someone with Omicron, even if you're fully vaccinated. If this is the case, it's a f**king huge deal. You can go out as much as you like, but you risk personal lockdown if you come into contact with an unvaccinated git.

Many of the unvaccinated catching Covid are school children.

They aren't currently allowed a vaccine even if they want one.

[Mordac]

Working from home if possible and wearing masks... hardly a huge deal. I don't really see how this is going to make a large difference, calling it Plan B is rather overblowing it.

Unless I'm wrong, (and as usual it wasn't made absolutely clear) it looks like you will need to do the full 2 weeks in isolation if you're identified as a contact of someone with Omicron, even if you're fully vaccinated. If this is the case, it's a f**king huge deal. You can go out as much as you like, but you risk personal lockdown if you come into contact with an unvaccinated git.

[TestMangler]

It is mandatory vaccination by the back door.

Except some of the non-vaccinated aren't in the country....

Rubbish, they're still administering it via the upper arm.

[Paddy]

[AtW]

If they introduce vaccine passports they will never be repealed, it's curtains for freedom in Britain.

[SueEllen]

- work from Home from Monday

- Friday you must wear a face mask in most indoor public venues
- NHS Covid pass mandatory for large venues obtainable still with 2 doses or negative LFT starts next Thursday

- daily tests for contacts of +ve people

Get jabbed!