Budget Leaks Part 3001 - National Minimum Wage

[vetran]

I don't think it works that way with the Just In Time supply model. The store warehouses are little more than a goods inward depot, the 'warehouse' is the store.

Slough has one of the Biggest Tesco stores, they have pickers collecting stuff. But this does look like the future

https://www.retail-week.com/grocery/...icle?authent=1

[Gibbon]

With most supermarkets now out of town, each large store's warehouse could double as the fulfilment centre for deliveries - they already have cold storage for everything that's not on the shelves.

I don't think it works that way with the Just In Time supply model. The store warehouses are little more than a goods inward depot, the 'warehouse' is the store.

[mookiemoo]

Ocado already have everything picked by robots - its just humans that do the bagging at the end for some stuff.

[d000hg]

Possibly but it makes sense to do the tins in the warehouse and add Fruit & veg from stores that way you only have one perishable store.

Both Tesco & Sainsbury's have pickers in the big stores.

With most supermarkets now out of town, each large store's warehouse could double as the fulfilment centre for deliveries - they already have cold storage for everything that's not on the shelves.

[vetran]

Pre-packaged perishables I cannot really see being much different. I bet an AI can tell if food looks off/damaged as reliably as a human too. Your fulfilment centre can also have a human butcher, deli worker, etc doing hand-selected stuff at the robots' request. Sounds a bit like something from the Matrix.

Possibly but it makes sense to do the tins in the warehouse and add Fruit & veg from stores that way you only have one perishable store.

Both Tesco & Sainsbury's have pickers in the big stores.

[eek]

already happening

https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/8/17...andover-amazon

I expect the less perishable stuff (tins/bags of flour) to be automated even with human pickers for meat, fruit & veg.

This is why we need to retrain our workforce rather than increase it.

I think ocado and Amazon have different techniques - in Amazon supposedly the robot is the storage rack and it comes to the picker... They haven't started doing tours locally so I've not seen what state of the art 2020 looks like.

[d000hg]

Pre-packaged perishables I cannot really see being much different. I bet an AI can tell if food looks off/damaged as reliably as a human too. Your fulfilment centre can also have a human butcher, deli worker, etc doing hand-selected stuff at the robots' request. Sounds a bit like something from the Matrix.

[vetran]

The upswing in delivered groceries certainly means automated fulfilment centres, if they don't already exist. Tesco still IIRC have shoppers filling trollies in the store aisles but once deliveries get popular enough dedicated centres will be built.
Amazon are already on this of course and presumably they will be leading the automation.

already happening

https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/8/17...andover-amazon

I expect the less perishable stuff (tins/bags of flour) to be automated even with human pickers for meat, fruit & veg.

This is why we need to retrain our workforce rather than increase it.

[d000hg]

The upswing in delivered groceries certainly means automated fulfilment centres, if they don't already exist. Tesco still IIRC have shoppers filling trollies in the store aisles but once deliveries get popular enough dedicated centres will be built.
Amazon are already on this of course and presumably they will be leading the automation.

[vetran]

You mean like Tesco?

They can't off-shore their shop floor or warehouse staff so I guess they will start using robots.

Just wonder where they will be built....

They probably will, its the trajectory we are on and we need to do something so they contribute, but if we stop the subsidy at least I'm not paying for a multinational to pay less wages.

[SueEllen]

Maybe we can stop subsidising companies paying the minimum wage via in work benefits? Its not like they will pay tax on the profits.

You mean like Tesco?

They can't off-shore their shop floor or warehouse staff so I guess they will start using robots.

Just wonder where they will be built....

[vetran]

Maybe we can stop subsidising companies paying the minimum wage via in work benefits? Its not like they will pay tax on the profits.

[d000hg]

Saw this too. Quite a big increase. As a non-interested party I think this is probably a good level.

As someone who runs a business with several employees, it is genuinely quite concerning were it to go higher than that. We are already paying that level or better but were it to go above £10 we would face problems.

[SueEllen]

NMW going up to £9.50. Near the £10 an hour that MacDonalds workers want.

https://news.sky.com/story/budget-20...-hour-12444307

The chancellor is set to increase the national living wage to £9.50 in Wednesday's budget, Sky News has been told.

It will rise from the current living wage of £8.91 per hour for those aged 23 and over, which the government says will give full-time workers an extra £1,000 a year.

The national living wage is what the government has called the national minimum wage for anybody above 22-years-old since 2016.

Those below that age are eligible for what is called the "national minimum wage", which will also see a rise.

Those below that age are eligible for what is called the "national minimum wage", which will also see a rise.

People aged 21-22 will see an increase to £9.18 an hour from £8.36 and apprentices, who must be aged 16 or over and not in full-time education, will get a rise to £4.81 from £4.30.

However, the chancellor has made no announcement on other age groups, with under 18s currently getting £4.62 and 18 to 20-year-olds getting £6.56 an hour.

Despite its name, the national living wage has previously not been based on the true cost of living, however, by increasing it to £9.50 it brings it up to the actual living wage of those outside London, according to the Living Wage Foundation.