careful what you wish for! HGV edition

[vetran]

Is the Europe-wide shortage as bad? (Factually, not just in your 'reality')

Its the ONS, Government & the Grocers reality too. You are just agreeing with the RHA who have an agenda.

Apparently not but it is pretty bad and has the same causes the hauliers short changing the drivers hence few new drivers. Covid closing the test centres. The cheap workforce choosing the most profitable countries - Poland is suffering for instance.
We put the tax up - IR35
Reinstated visa fees & regulations - that lastbit was post Brexit)

Its OK to blame your erectile dysfunction on Brexit we all understand the stress of losing has made you floppy

[WTFH]

OK that's your 'reality' the official figures and the people with brain cells think something else.

For instance why is there a Europe wide shortage if Brexit is the cause? Damn I didn't know our Nige was that powerful!

Is the Europe-wide shortage as bad? (Factually, not just in your 'reality')

[vetran]

That's because they've deteriorated since Brexit. The pound is down. You can earn higher wages elsewhere. British HGV drivers are the poor men of Europe.

OK that's your 'reality' the official figures and the people with brain cells think something else.

For instance why is there a Europe wide shortage if Brexit is the cause? Damn I didn't know our Nige was that powerful!

[BlasterBates]

Precisely!

That's because they've deteriorated since Brexit. The pound is down. You can earn higher wages elsewhere. British HGV drivers are the poor men of Europe.

[vetran]

The "cheap labour" from abroad are refusing to come back because of the poor pay and working conditions.

Precisely!

[BlasterBates]

Hey I find the pills easier to take than the ImAFeckwit syrup you are obviously on.

Plenty of reputable sources have clearly stated and proven with verifiable facts that whilst Brexit had a minor effect it is not a major cause of the HGV driver shortage. As I say you seem to be pushing "Project away from reality" like a proper remoaner maybe paint it on the side of a white flag?

You will find the RHA do a lot more than run the services stations, but since you mention it many drivers have mentioned how poor the facilities there are to use compared to those on the continent. With poor pay & conditions (dragged down by cheap labour from abroad for years) these are some of many reasons drivers are leaving faster than those joining the trade.

The "cheap labour" from abroad are refusing to come back because of the poor pay and working conditions.

[vetran]

Ah yes, the reason the UK is chart of drivers is purely the fault of the RHA, who run all the service stations, and anyone who voted against Brexit. Keep taking the Ivomectin.

Hey I find the pills easier to take than the ImAFeckwit syrup you are obviously on.

Plenty of reputable sources have clearly stated and proven with verifiable facts that whilst Brexit had a minor effect it is not a major cause of the HGV driver shortage. As I say you seem to be pushing "Project away from reality" like a proper remoaner maybe paint it on the side of a white flag?

You will find the RHA do a lot more than run the services stations, but since you mention it many drivers have mentioned how poor the facilities there are to use compared to those on the continent. With poor pay & conditions (dragged down by cheap labour from abroad for years) these are some of many reasons drivers are leaving faster than those joining the trade.

[WTFH]

The reasons are explained in the above story try reading it. Its pretty obvious the RHA etc want the years of cheap labour back as they have spent years running down the pay & conditions of drivers and are upset they no longer can. 4-5 times as many domestic drivers left the trade in the same time that is the large part of the downward slope

Project lost reality again?

Ah yes, the reason the UK is chart of drivers is purely the fault of the RHA, who run all the service stations, and anyone who voted against Brexit. Keep taking the Ivomectin.

[vetran]

A lot of those applicants don't live in the UK.




This is the reality:

I never said they did live here just that a very large number of EU nationals want to stay here where "foreigners are hated" as per the comment from our deluded country bumpkin.

OK so only 3.5 million EU residents actually live in the totally Racist UK, the other 2.5 million only applied to stay because they like the sound of the EDL? Must be terrible here.

This is the majority trade magazine for food retail like the caterer is for food service. Quoting ONS figures

https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/supply-c...659841.article

Plus, according to ONS data, the loss of EU drivers is only a minor cause of the shortage. At the start of 2020, before the pandemic hit, there were 37,000 EU drivers in the UK. Now, there are 24,500.

That loss of 12,500 drivers only goes a little way to explaining the current shortfall. Given a total of almost 70,000 HGV drivers left during the pandemic alone, this represents just 18% of those who exiting.

The reasons are explained in the above story try reading it. Its pretty obvious the RHA etc want the years of cheap labour back as they have spent years running down the pay & conditions of drivers and are upset they no longer can. 4-5 times as many domestic drivers left the trade in the same time that is the large part of the downward slope.

Project lost reality again?

[BlasterBates]

Its higher than my faith in idiotic remoaners.

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation...ir%20residency.

A lot of those applicants don't live in the UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...live-in-the-uk

The ONS says its “best estimate” is still that there are 3.5 million EU and EEA citizens living in the UK, closer to the original number that gave the EU citizens’ campaign group the3million, its name in 2016

The number could include millions who do not live in the country who may be taking out an insurance policy against high visa fees in the event they want to return to the UK in future, the ONS said..

This is the reality:

[SueEllen]

Hopefully they are young fertile and from Romania or Poland, then want to go "home" when their children are adults as they are fed up of us - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1938277.html

[vetran]

as usual, your faith in the wail shows through. Why would any driver come and work in the UK where “foreigners” are hated by racists and xenophobes who believe everything that they are told by the express/telegraph/gbeebies/wail/goebbels, etc

Its higher than my faith in idiotic remoaners.

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation...ir%20residency.

LONDON —

More than 6 million European Union citizens in the U.K. applied to maintain their residency before the end-of-Wednesday deadline that the British government imposed as part of the country’s departure from the bloc, officials said Friday.

[WTFH]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Christmas.html



manufacture a shortage and the Government calls your Bluff!

The RHA are screwed if they don't fix the shortage.

as usual, your faith in the wail shows through. Why would any driver come and work in the UK where “foreigners” are hated by racists and xenophobes who believe everything that they are told by the express/telegraph/gbeebies/wail/goebbels, etc

[vetran]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Christmas.html

Government relaxes rules on foreign HGV drivers to tackle crisis: Lorries from abroad will be able to make unlimited UK trips in a fortnight but proposals won't come in until the 'end of the year' amid backlash from 'appalled' British hauliers

• George Eustice reveals that cap on EU deliveries in the UK will be lifted within weeks for a six-month period
• Ministers bring in new policies as shelves remain empty and ports become choked due to lack of drivers
• Unite to ballot supermarket and delivery drivers over walkout planned to be as big a Winter of Discontent

manufacture a shortage and the Government calls your Bluff!

The RHA are screwed if they don't fix the shortage.